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Forums :: Blog World :: Todd Cordell: New Jersey Devils: Brodeur & Schneider's SV% vs. Defenseman & Forwards
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K-dizzle
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.28.2011

Aug 1 @ 9:07 PM ET
Yeah, I was higher on Shinkaruk than Horvat originally, and am pumped we got both.

I was actually hoping Gillis would choose Nichushkin or Shinkaruk at 9, but with the risk involved with picking Russians, I can understand why he went with the safer pick.

I wasn't too familiar with Horvat, and wasn't impressed with his offensive totals, but after reading some comments from London Knights' fans, it sounds like his offense took off when he was bumped to the second line.

- Fosco

Yeah I was really high on Horvat and shinkaruk so I'm kind of Jealous you guys got both
NickA
New Jersey Devils
Location: Shero's magical sack, NJ
Joined: 10.22.2008

Aug 1 @ 9:24 PM ET
If I can somehow find the data, I'll put it together. Got nothing better to do today
- bobert836



If you want to man go for it.
Boinker
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 10.24.2010

Aug 1 @ 9:27 PM ET
You don't really need numbers to know Schneiders a stud, and a top end NHL goalie. Not just "above average". Deboer is in a dilemma. Schneider is a way better goalie then Brodeur, right now. Does he throw Brodeur a bone by starting him the majority, and risk losing more? I'd be shocked if that happened, and shocked if Bordeur doesn't become the backup. It's about winning, and they shouldn't coddle him. The Devils have done enough for Brodeurs legacy.
Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.05.2011

Aug 1 @ 9:48 PM ET
Nice work Todd, I know that took some time so thanks for putting something like this up for us to read.
- K-dizzle


Thanks. I enjoyed it.
archromat
Location: Moncton, NB
Joined: 01.16.2012

Aug 1 @ 10:08 PM ET
Save % is one of the most deceptive stats since it can mean that a goaltender is terrible with rebound control (Reimer, Luongo... these types of goaltenders have high save % partially because they're terrible at rebound control), while the master of rebound control is Brodeur, whom is only rivaled by Lunqvist on that front, I'd say, and that's why his save % isn't as high as other goaltenders.

Also, a goaltender's leadership skills and ability to coordinate his own defense towards his playstyle can dictate how many shots he faces a game, which also greatly affects his save %.

Beware the stat... it's not that meaningful.
MannySilvers
New Jersey Devils
Location: ROCK LAND, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Aug 1 @ 10:12 PM ET
You don't really need numbers to know Schneiders a stud, and a top end NHL goalie. Not just "above average". Deboer is in a dilemma. Schneider is a way better goalie then Brodeur, right now. Does he throw Brodeur a bone by starting him the majority, and risk losing more? I'd be shocked if that happened, and shocked if Bordeur doesn't become the backup. It's about winning, and they shouldn't coddle him. The Devils have done enough for Brodeurs legacy.
- Boinker


I agree with this. I love Marty, but hope Schneider gets as many if not more starts. Let Marty start opening night at home, the outdoor game at Yankee Stadium, all of that stuff, but I agree that 27 year old Schneider is a much better goalie than 41 year old Brodeur.
bobert836
New Jersey Devils
Location: Buying a dolphin and putting it in your swimming pool makes more sense, BC
Joined: 06.19.2010

Aug 1 @ 10:52 PM ET
Save % is one of the most deceptive stats since it can mean that a goaltender is terrible with rebound control (Reimer, Luongo... these types of goaltenders have high save % partially because they're terrible at rebound control), while the master of rebound control is Brodeur, whom is only rivaled by Lunqvist on that front, I'd say, and that's why his save % isn't as high as other goaltenders.

Also, a goaltender's leadership skills and ability to coordinate his own defense towards his playstyle can dictate how many shots he faces a game, which also greatly affects his save %.

Beware the stat... it's not that meaningful.

- archromat


As opposed to? Goalies have very little in terms of things to track and save % is more or less the best way to tell how well they are doing. Brodeur is kind of an outlier in that regard though. He has historically had a somewhat average save % because the teams in front of him generally limited the # of shots he faced, so even if he only let in 2 G/G a lot of the time it would still be a sub .900 save %
BarryB1124
New Jersey Devils
Location: Bronx, NY
Joined: 03.11.2007

Aug 2 @ 12:34 AM ET
Save % is one of the most deceptive stats since it can mean that a goaltender is terrible with rebound control (Reimer, Luongo... these types of goaltenders have high save % partially because they're terrible at rebound control), while the master of rebound control is Brodeur, whom is only rivaled by Lunqvist on that front, I'd say, and that's why his save % isn't as high as other goaltenders.

Also, a goaltender's leadership skills and ability to coordinate his own defense towards his playstyle can dictate how many shots he faces a game, which also greatly affects his save %.

Beware the stat... it's not that meaningful.

- archromat


No offense but this makes zero sense. Bad rebound control means yielding shots most likely to result in the highest % chances for the other team, which would almost always lower the save percentage. Toss in that Marty's rebound control the past several years has declined markedly and that Schneider's rebound control is pretty good. That pretty much negates your point in relation to the two goalies in question. Roberto Luongo is one of the most physically talented goalies you'll find; with a good-but-not-great career save % of .919, attained in primarily a low scoring era of hockey. I would argue that his rebound control is precisely the reason why it isn't as high as it could be given his level of physical talent. Or, at the very least, occasional bouts of bad rebound control can certainly be tied to the extremes Luongo has had his entire career, sometimes from one season to the next. Sometimes from one month to the next.
K-dizzle
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.28.2011

Aug 2 @ 12:56 AM ET
I agree with this. I love Marty, but hope Schneider gets as many if not more starts. Let Marty start opening night at home, the outdoor game at Yankee Stadium, all of that stuff, but I agree that 27 year old Schneider is a much better goalie than 41 year old Brodeur.
- MannySilvers


Wow i forgot about that. 2 outdoor games for Jagr in 3 years thats pretty cool.

I hope the devils have a cool outdoor jersey and not just use the St. Patty's day jerseys. Because honestly im not sure what more they could do.
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Aug 2 @ 3:04 AM ET
for kicks and giggles, was browsing the comments on Fire & Ice. this guy posts..
To Dallas: Barch, Josefson, Tedenby, Salvador
To NJ: NICHUSHKIN

!
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Aug 2 @ 7:11 AM ET
Does anyone know when tickets will be available for the outdoor game?
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Aug 2 @ 7:11 AM ET
for kicks and giggles, was browsing the comments on Fire & Ice. this guy posts..
To Dallas: Barch, Josefson, Tedenby, Salvador
To NJ: NICHUSHKIN

!

- MartysBetter88

Sounds fair
TheJerseyDevil1
New Jersey Devils
Location: Brick City, NJ
Joined: 10.05.2011

Aug 2 @ 9:11 AM ET
Via TG, "Devils’ Adam Henrique “not worried” contract isn’t done yet, “It’s just a mattter of time”"

Phew.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Aug 2 @ 9:23 AM ET
Via TG, "Devils’ Adam Henrique “not worried” contract isn’t done yet, “It’s just a mattter of time”"

Phew.

- TheJerseyDevil1

a matter of time until he signs and is traded with the 2016 1st, Merrill, josefson, severson, and Larsson for vanek
MannySilvers
New Jersey Devils
Location: ROCK LAND, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Aug 2 @ 9:51 AM ET
Wow i forgot about that. 2 outdoor games for Jagr in 3 years thats pretty cool.
- K-dizzle


He's no Ty Conklin.
TheJerseyDevil1
New Jersey Devils
Location: Brick City, NJ
Joined: 10.05.2011

Aug 2 @ 10:28 AM ET
a matter of time until he signs and is traded with the 2016 1st, Merrill, josefson, severson, and Larsson for vanek
- shvingter88


That's lopsided, send us Craig Rivet too.
blizzzard
New Jersey Devils
Location: Orillia, ON
Joined: 07.02.2011

Aug 2 @ 2:46 PM ET
Justa reminder to everyone that tomorrow is Devils day at the HOF who's going ! ?
K-dizzle
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.28.2011

Aug 2 @ 3:10 PM ET
He's no Ty Conklin.
- MannySilvers

Hahaha solid point
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Aug 2 @ 4:01 PM ET
for kicks and giggles, was browsing the comments on Fire & Ice. this guy posts..
To Dallas: Barch, Josefson, Tedenby, Salvador
To NJ: NICHUSHKIN

!

- MartysBetter88

You guys might need to throw in a 1st to get it done.
MrToast
New Jersey Devils
Location: Space, YT
Joined: 06.27.2012

Aug 2 @ 4:04 PM ET
You guys might need to throw in a 1st to get it done.
- rangerdanger94

It's not like we're using that one we're forfeiting next year anyway.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Aug 2 @ 4:06 PM ET
That's lopsided, send us Craig Rivet too.
- TheJerseyDevil1


Is he still playing?
TheJerseyDevil1
New Jersey Devils
Location: Brick City, NJ
Joined: 10.05.2011

Aug 2 @ 8:07 PM ET
Is he still playing?
- rmdevil313


If you can call it that. ECHL life.
bobert836
New Jersey Devils
Location: Buying a dolphin and putting it in your swimming pool makes more sense, BC
Joined: 06.19.2010

Aug 2 @ 8:39 PM ET
So Zubrus was honoured by the Lithuanian president
NickA
New Jersey Devils
Location: Shero's magical sack, NJ
Joined: 10.22.2008

Aug 2 @ 8:49 PM ET
So Zubrus was honoured by the Lithuanian president
- bobert836



Thats awesome.
MrToast
New Jersey Devils
Location: Space, YT
Joined: 06.27.2012

Aug 3 @ 2:08 AM ET
So Zubrus was honoured by the Lithuanian president
- bobert836

Well, I guess a Devil was bound to meet a president at some point.
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