ok if they did that as a general rule, they'd get (frank)ed by all those people who put down money on the team that does win... because you can't just deflate the Canucks' odds. you'd have to do it across the board.
- DoubleDown

They would make more money off the the rest of the league

montreal accomlished so much in those 7 years. you're right. And it was 9 years actually.
- clark_griswold

Also...
https://en.wikipedia.org/...ronto_Maple_Leafs_seasons
Guess counting is not your strong suit

Also...
https://en.wikipedia.org/...ronto_Maple_Leafs_seasons
Guess counting is not your strong suit
- mlindsay

9 years 7 seasons. 2 lockouts. But keep being angry and personal attacks, it's amazing. You seem pretty angry, but hey that's just me.

you should chirp hawks fans too...seems like you've moved on from current - next years playoffs to "look what my team has done in my lifetime".

But yeah, you're right for sure, habs are the best. ole ole ole .
- clark_griswold

Actually... you brought up the fact that you could lecture Hab fans because of what has happened in the past... just saying

9 years 7 seasons. 2 lockouts. But keep being angry and personal attacks, it's amazing. You seem pretty angry, but hey that's just me.
- clark_griswold

last made the playoffs in 03-04, that's 9 years in my books.

9 years 7 seasons. 2 lockouts. But keep being angry and personal attacks, it's amazing. You seem pretty angry, but hey that's just me.
- clark_griswold

Yup... 7 seasons... just as I said previously. Thanks for confirming.
personal attacks ...

Actually... you brought up the fact that you could lecture Hab fans because of what has happened in the past... just saying
- mlindsay

a wings fan made a crack about leafs fans..to me, we made the playoffs, our drought is over, why can't i say something about the habs who haven't done squat either lately? I'm not going to chirp hawks or bruins fans. Simply making the playoffs doesn't mean you can chirp; is Van going to chirp anyone for making it last 2 years and winning 1 wholel game? That's my point.


you really enjoy the eh?

Yup... 7 seasons... just as I said previously. Thanks for confirming.
personal attacks ...

- mlindsay

well by saying 'counting isn't your strong point' etc and stupid stuff with the whole you come off as a bit of a douche. But hey that's just me.

last made the playoffs in 03-04, that's 9 years in my books.
- clark_griswold

Counting the lockouts as seasons that "taught you so much about your team"?
That's like counting every girl you held hands with as a notch in your belt!

I think thats why leafs fans dont trust these posession stat things.macca was god awful last year and grabbo had a rough year for him. There is absolutely no way you can tell leafs fans that macca was if any use last year, and I agree

Talk to Yost, he's the guru of advanced stats around here.

But regardless of whether most leafs fans dont trust the numbers they are the best predictive statistics available really and while they arent ironclad it adds another dimension to points and +/-....so while Grabo may have been -10 he was still driving the puck up the ice and getting shots on net moreso than other leafs that may have had more points.

Counting the lockouts as seasons that "taught you so much about your team"?
That's like counting every girl you held hands with as a notch in your belt!
- mlindsay

you're just a beauty eh?

oh i guess

now i'm cool

Talk to Yost, he's the guru of advanced stats around here.

But regardless of whether most leafs fans dont trust the numbers they are the best predictive statistics available really and while they arent ironclad it adds another dimension to points and +/-....so while Grabo may have been -10 he was still driving the puck up the ice and getting shots on net moreso than other leafs that may have had more points.
- Joel_Eh

Hey I love Grabbo. Is one of my favs, but -10 and getting shots on net isnt really what i want.just me.it seems to be a new fad/trend that has popped up.I believe Clarkson was one of the best in theleague last year, and as happy as I am to have him, I doubt I will consider him better than Kessel or Lupul.different strokes I suppose

Hey I love Grabbo. Is one of my favs, but -10 and getting shots on net isnt really what i want.just me.it seems to be a new fad/trend that has popped up.I believe Clarkson was one of the best in theleague last year, and as happy as I am to have him, I doubt I will consider him better than Kessel or Lupul.different strokes I suppose
- walshyleafsfan

I'm not saying that possession is the be all and end all...i agree i'd rather take kessel with poor possession numbers over grabbo with great ones. It is however a useful tool in evaluating a player and paired with other stats can give a more complete picture of a player

A lot of leafs had unsustainable shooting percentages that likely wont carry over into this year...if they increased their shots on net they wouldnt need such a high percentage to be equally successful which is something i think they will struggle with this season.

Again losing grabo and macarthur isnt the end of the world but im just pointing out that they may not have had the best stats last year but there are underlying things they did that did make the team better.

I'm not saying that possession is the be all and end all...i agree i'd rather take kessel with poor possession numbers over grabbo with great ones. It is however a useful tool in evaluating a player and paired with other stats can give a more complete picture of a player

A lot of leafs had unsustainable shooting percentages that likely wont carry over into this year...if they increased their shots on net they wouldnt need such a high percentage to be equally successful which is something i think they will struggle with this season.

Again losing grabo and macarthur isnt the end of the world but im just pointing out that they may not have had the best stats last year but there are underlying things they did that did make the team better.
- Joel_Eh

i can agree with this statment, however, for 3rd line players (which they were) there are better options - bolland, mcclemant etc. We have enough offense on our top 2 lines that we need a shutdown line. We've been lacking one for a long time. Mac and Grabo were not offensive, even if they did have the puck alot (possession).

how have the habs improved? adding briere, another small forward is like the leafs adding parros to play alongside orr and mclaren. They were manhandled physically by ottawa, and shots aside 2 games were blowouts. Can't mention habs injuries because none of them compared to the best centre in the series in spezza being out, and the best defenseman in ths series in karlsson playing not at 100%. And braun mixed with finess beats strictly finess unless you are the Red Wings 1997-2002, which no one is. After your run a few years ago when you beat Pit and Wsh, Philly simply pounded you. Signing prust was a start and parros will help but still WAY too soft.
- clark_griswold

The habs also signed a top scoring winger from the sel and the norris version winner of the sel as well this off season. That said those blowouts were all price... the first period of the first blowout shots were 20 -5 and the sens were winning 2-1... it is what it is

i can agree with this statment, however, for 3rd line players (which they were) there are better options - bolland, mcclemant etc. We have enough offense on our top 2 lines that we need a shutdown line. We've been lacking one for a long time. Mac and Grabo were not offensive, even if they did have the puck alot (possession).
- clark_griswold

I actually think that is a major reason why we made the playoffs for the first time in forever. Mcclement frattin komorov and Fraser are better than random guys who are just not good enougj to play top 6 mins

The habs also signed a top scoring winger from the sel and the norris version winner of the sel as well this off season. That said those blowouts were all price... the first period of the first blowout shots were 20 -5 and the sens were winning 2-1... it is what it is
- munky123

every city has a favorite whipping boy. Price may have blown it for you but without his season, you guys wouldn't be there. Same with Dion and leaf fans.

Eller wins on his intangibles like receiving passes...
- drexel

Receiving a pass would actually be tangible.

I actually think that is a major reason why we made the playoffs for the first time in forever. Mcclement frattin komorov and Fraser are better than random guys who are just not good enougj to play top 6 mins
- walshyleafsfan

This may sound harsh so dont crucify me but i think the main reason the leafs made the playoffs was due to a crazy high shooting percentage. They were tied for last in shot differentials and if that continues and Lupul stops scoring on a quarter (literally had a 26.2% shooting percentage) of his shots and Kadri on 16% of his i think the leafs could struggle.

every city has a favorite whipping boy. Price may have blown it for you but without his season, you guys wouldn't be there. Same with Dion and leaf fans.
- clark_griswold

That is completely false. Price had an ok season... some of his worse numbers....the team won on great d and the to score. In fact Price didn't steal one game. The team had to overcome his blunders night in night out. That said I hope Price can rebound this year.

This may sound harsh so dont crucify me but i think the main reason the leafs made the playoffs was due to a crazy high shooting percentage. They were tied for last in shot differentials and if that continues and Lupul stops scoring on a quarter (literally had a 26.2% shooting percentage) of his shots and Kadri on 16% of his i think the leafs could struggle.
- Joel_Eh

Nothing wrong with your post. I agree that the leafs game is far from perfect but we did finish what, 8th overall? Again, I have no doubt that the leafs are a better playoff team than season team. I do however have a laugh when I hear the leafs only made it due to a short season. The 4 best teams made the conference finals for God sake.

That is completely false. Price had an ok season... some of his worse numbers....the team won on great d and the to score. In fact Price didn't steal one game. The team had to overcome his blunders night in night out. That said I hope Price can rebound this year.
- munky123

He may have been un-price like, but no way you guys make the playoffs with budaj in net all season

What does the fact that two teams entered the league the same year have to do with anything? Canucks are a much better team than Buffalo and Toronto.
- hankthetank

Ya ok, go have another one hank.

Nothing wrong with your post. I agree that the leafs game is far from perfect but we did finish what, 8th overall? Again, I have no doubt that the leafs are a better playoff team than season team. I do however have a laugh when I hear the leafs only made it due to a short season. The 4 best teams made the conference finals for God sake.
- clark_griswold

The argument in favour of the leafs only making it due to a short season is probably because of the unsustainable shooting percentage.

They likely couldnt maintain that over 82 games so they probably would have dropped...would they still have made it - i have no clue.

The argument in favour of the leafs only making it due to a short season is probably because of the unsustainable shooting percentage.

They likely couldnt maintain that over 82 games so they probably would have dropped...would they still have made it - i have no clue.
- Joel_Eh

Your argument is valid. I was referring to the blind leaf haters who bring up the short season just because it's convenient