Oilers should be around there too.
- Scooby_Doo

Leafs should be the favourites.
- Scooby_Doo

Leafs fans don't look at playoff stats, for obvious reasons.
- Scooby_Doo

The only intention of posts like this is to cause trouble. What is wrong in this guy's life? Teenage angst I guess.

A whopping 2 pts up on 17th overall......... I guess the short season didn't help at all.
- golfingsince

Canucks finished 2 points ahead of us. Don't worry though, canucks are just entering their prime. They haven't had their real good shot yet, their Window to win is just starting. Still loving your avatar, must be weird to be obsessed with a franchise other than your own. Cheers.

The only intention of posts like this is to cause trouble. What is wrong in this guy's life? Teenage angst I guess.
- JLO961

My point exactly. I've been saying it all thread. You can tell who the bitter people are instantly. It's awesome

I have to wonder if the Blues locked up JayBo so he would be easier to trade once they get Pietrangelo signed. Hmmm....

Just a question for all the Leafs fans that are shooting down the advanced statistics (and this is a legitimate question).

Whether or not you choose to believe that the teams with the puck more often and take more shots will generally be more successful than the teams that dont have the puck as often and take less shots -- do you really believe that players like Kadri and Lupul can sustain their shooting percentages of 16% and 26% respectively when a player like Crosby has only cracked 14% once in his career?

I get these stats arent everything but i think that its a safe assumption to make that if the Leafs are in fact one of the teams that has the puck less and takes less shots (tied for second last in this last year) then if two of their higher scorers shooting percentages fall back to a normal level the leafs will lose more games than last season.

St. Louis locked up veteran Jay Bouwmeester for $27 Million over 5 years.

More to come

There is no more to come. But anyways, I think its a good signing at fair value for Jaybo. #HalakWatch2013

Just a question for all the Leafs fans that are shooting down the advanced statistics (and this is a legitimate question).

Whether or not you choose to believe that the teams with the puck more often and take more shots will generally be more successful than the teams that dont have the puck as often and take less shots -- do you really believe that players like Kadri and Lupul can sustain their shooting percentages of 16% and 26% respectively when a player like Crosby has only cracked 14% once in his career?

I get these stats arent everything but i think that its a safe assumption to make that if the Leafs are in fact one of the teams that has the puck less and takes less shots (tied for second last in this last year) then if two of their higher scorers shooting percentages fall back to a normal level the leafs will lose more games than last season.
- Joel_Eh

Not trying to shoot down your post, but seriously, it seems like all habs fans are pointing out the posession thing. Stats don't always prove true. You can hope they do, as a habs fan I'm sure you don't like the leafs. I could point out stats all day that could either make a certain team look great, or that same team look terrible.

At the end of the day, wins are all that matters. Reason I'm saying that is look at the Leafs PK, went from what 29th for about 3-4 years to 2nd. Same thing happened with the habs PP a few years ago. Teams are inconsistent at the end of the day. It just seems like people are really stressing to say why the Leafs won't make the playoffs next year (short season, posession,etc.). How about be honest 'i HOPE they don't make it next year'. I don't know if they will or not, but saying posession would have caught up with the Leafs and teams like Winnipeg, New Jersey, etc. would have caught them is quite a stretch.

I mean the leafs have been garbage forever, no team stays that bad (or good forever) no matter how much you despise them, or think they may be cursed. There's lots of good pieces on the leafs, and they are right in the middle of the pack (behind the contenders and above the garbage teams) and face the same question marks (albeit in different areas) that all middle of the road teams face.

My point exactly. I've been saying it all thread. You can tell who the bitter people are instantly. It's awesome
- clark_griswold

i find it interesting that you've made that comment a few times because generally, it's the people making those comments who are punching holes in the wall and swearing at their laptop

There is no more to come. But anyways, I think its a good signing at fair value for Jaybo. #HalakWatch2013
- TheJerseyDevil1

Hard to believe St. Louis will put together such a wonderful team. Great forwards, even better D, yet, nightmare potential in net.

I thought they would do a deal for a goalie at the deadline last year. Don't want to believe they start the season with Halak and Elliott.

Bryzgalov for the right dollars would be a tremendous signing by the Blues. He has lots to prove, he is a very good goaltender and nobody in St Louis would take offense if he sat around all day trashing Philadelphia and the Flyer media.

i find it interesting that you've made that comment a few times because generally, it's the people making those comments who are punching holes in the wall and swearing at their laptop
- DoubleDown

yes. I've been so angry, as you can tell by my responses. I see you threw in a which seems to be the habs fans way of legitimizing their posts. Just great stuff.

Also, as for your bolded post above, how do you know this?

PS. , so sad that grown men use these at will like you guys. wow.

yes. I've been so angry, as you can tell by my responses. I see you threw in a which seems to be the habs fans way of legitimizing their posts. Just great stuff.

Also, as for your bolded post above, how do you know this?

PS. , so sad that grown men use these at will like you guys. wow.
- clark_griswold

Emoticons used in a forum?

Impossibruh!

Emoticons used in a forum?

Impossibruh!
- Scabeh

*punches hole in wall and screams at laptop*

*punches hole in wall and screams at laptop*
- DoubleDown

*isn't manly*

Not trying to shoot down your post, but seriously, it seems like all habs fans are pointing out the posession thing. Stats don't always prove true. You can hope they do, as a habs fan I'm sure you don't like the leafs. I could point out stats all day that could either make a certain team look great, or that same team look terrible.

At the end of the day, wins are all that matters. Reason I'm saying that is look at the Leafs PK, went from what 29th for about 3-4 years to 2nd. Same thing happened with the habs PP a few years ago. Teams are inconsistent at the end of the day. It just seems like people are really stressing to say why the Leafs won't make the playoffs next year (short season, posession,etc.). How about be honest 'i HOPE they don't make it next year'. I don't know if they will or not, but saying posession would have caught up with the Leafs and teams like Winnipeg, New Jersey, etc. would have caught them is quite a stretch.

I mean the leafs have been garbage forever, no team stays that bad (or good forever) no matter how much you despise them, or think they may be cursed. There's lots of good pieces on the leafs, and they are right in the middle of the pack (behind the contenders and above the garbage teams) and face the same question marks (albeit in different areas) that all middle of the road teams face.
- clark_griswold

Other than for Hab fans nobody really thinks Montreal is in the mix during the next full season. Just too small. Ottawa made you question their compete level.

So, they tend to jump on peripheral issues to sustain their false hope. One of my favorites a few pages back was the comment that Eller was outstanding in his ability to receive a pass. Duh? Did anybody mention that to Eric Gryba? I find some of the Montreal posters being a little naive about the actual reality of their very small and fragile team.

*punches hole in wall and screams at laptop*
- DoubleDown

I'm sorry, if you can't figure out by now that the 9/11 was completely the U.S government, you're never going too.,

pls tell me you are serious with the above from your profile.

Other than for Hab fans nobody really thinks Montreal is in the mix during the next full season. Just too small. Ottawa made you question their compete level.

So, they tend to jump on peripheral issues to sustain their false hope. One of my favorites a few pages back was the comment that Eller was outstanding in his ability to receive a pass. Duh? Did anybody mention that to Eric Gryba? I find some of the Montreal posters being a little naive about the actual reality of their very small and fragile team.
- spatso

i'm not saying people love the leafs, but if you've paid attention to most other posters (non leaf fans or habs fans) few would agree with the habs fans being better than the leafs. Not that either team is that good. It's why they get all pissy and throw childish responses like at you. It's gold.

I'm sorry, if you can't figure out by now that the 9/11 was completely the U.S government, you're never going too.,

pls tell me you are serious with the above from your profile.
- clark_griswold

Not hockey, not appropriate!

Other than for Hab fans nobody really thinks Montreal is in the mix during the next full season. Just too small. Ottawa made you question their compete level.
So, they tend to jump on peripheral issues to sustain their false hope. One of my favorites a few pages back was the comment that Eller was outstanding in his ability to receive a pass. Duh? Did anybody mention that to Eric Gryba? I find some of the Montreal posters being a little naive about the actual reality of their very small and fragile team.
- spatso

that's putting it very, very, mildly. Kudos for being civil.

Other than for Hab fans nobody really thinks Montreal is in the mix during the next full season. Just too small. Ottawa made you question their compete level.

So, they tend to jump on peripheral issues to sustain their false hope. One of my favorites a few pages back was the comment that Eller was outstanding in his ability to receive a pass. Duh? Did anybody mention that to Eric Gryba? I find some of the Montreal posters being a little naive about the actual reality of their very small and fragile team.
- spatso

Habs have been "too small" for the last 20 years.

We still managed to make the playoffs most of the time. It's far from being satisfying but saying we're not in the mix for a playoffs spot next year (unless you meant contender for the cup in which case I agree) is being blind.

Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal are about at the same level right now and unless things go horribly wrong for one of these teams, they'll fight for the few remaining playoff spots.

Or things could go very well like last year and they all make it, who knows.

i'm not saying people love the leafs, but if you've paid attention to most other posters (non leaf fans or habs fans) few would agree with the habs fans being better than the leafs. Not that either team is that good. It's why they get all pissy and throw childish responses like at you. It's gold.
- clark_griswold

I think that is accurate. Montreal has had some marginal success in the last 10 years. The Leaf fan base has hit bottom and knows just how painful when all expectations get crashed. Hab fans tend to dream in technicolor. They really believe a very small, perhaps you might say tiny team, can somehow win it all.

It is why the Ottawa series was so important. Ottawa pulverized the Habs. The beating they laid on them was so bad it changed Montreal's draft strategy. They made size the #1 criteria.

Habs have been "too small" for the last 20 years.

We still managed to make the playoffs most of the time. It's far from being satisfying but saying we're not in the mix for a playoffs spot next year (unless you meant contender for the cup in which case I agree) is being blind.

Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal are about at the same level right now and unless things go horribly wrong for one of these teams, they'll fight for the few remaining playoff spots.

Or things could go very well like last year and they all make it, who knows.
- Scabeh

i agree with your statement. See how much better that is than , just saying. Boston and Detroit should make the top 2, Tor, OTT, MTL fight for the bottom 3. Safe to say we got lucky with TB, FLA, and Buf in our division.

With all due respect, Calgary has just plain sucked. Florida as well when JBo was there.


- carcus

Definition of Bouwmeester: Log plenty of minutes skating "figure 8's"..get off ice, return shortly..skate more "figue 8's"..avoid contact, not a offensive/defense threat, just a minutes logger..No thanks....

i agree with your statement. See how much better that is than , just saying. Boston and Detroit should make the top 2, Tor, OTT, MTL fight for the bottom 3. Safe to say we got lucky with TB, FLA, and Buf in our division.
- clark_griswold

Yeah, wonder how the last 2 spots will go with the new "wildcard" format.

It'll be interesting to say the least.

The only intention of posts like this is to cause trouble. What is wrong in this guy's life? Teenage angst I guess.
- JLO961

deflection by projection.....or can't get laid....or just being a poop disturbing bratchild that needs attention

Habs have been "too small" for the last 20 years.

We still managed to make the playoffs most of the time. It's far from being satisfying but saying we're not in the mix for a playoffs spot next year (unless you meant contender for the cup in which case I agree) is being blind.

Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal are about at the same level right now and unless things go horribly wrong for one of these teams, they'll fight for the few remaining playoff spots.

Or things could go very well like last year and they all make it, who knows.
- Scabeh

I agree.

I see the same thing for Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa. But, of the three I only see Ottawa as having the talent to move to the next level and make a serious Cup run. Ottawa is a huge, physical, mean team. They have the youngest roster in the NHL and clearly Murray's plan of building a contender is taking shape. I still think they are a year away.

I think Toronto is a bit farther away but headed in the right direction. I think Montreal needs to go backwards before they can turn it around. Love a few Montreal players. But this team is really going nowhere unless there are some big changes in key positions. Love Galchenyuk, Pacioretti is solid, Emelin is a work horse. Most of the other hot dogs are show horses starting with Subban and the rookie who was the first to disappear in the playoffs.