Maybe about Rielly's value, maybe even about Rielly's comparative value to the other prospects.

I haven't ever heard anything about Rielly being a top 3 prospect in that draft before tonight.
- Morris

He was mentioned as that preseason. He dropped because of injury and was supposed to go around 5 which, he did. Not sure why you guys continue to spout that misconstrued rubbish.

[quote=Lipchitz]

The only thing I've shown is sorrow for the people in the leafs threads that have to listen to you. Must be rough.

Tweet Pronman and he agreed with you? Point proven?
- Lipchitz

I see we've moved from discussion to ignorance. This guy's at his end people. Don't worry

He was mentioned as that preseason. He dropped because of injury and was supposed to go around 5 which, he did. Not sure why you guys continue to spout that misconstrued rubbish.
- Lipchitz

from what I remember all the talk that year was about where Galchenyuk would go having been injured all year.

What I mean is that I hadn't heard anything about Rielly being a top 3 talent from that year. Before he got injured, after, whenever. The only thing I heard was Burke saying they got their top ranked player. And Feaster said Poirier was in his top 10 this year, so I'll take GMs opinions with a grain of salt.

I see we've moved from discussion to ignorance. This guy's at his end people. Don't worry
- TheNugeIsHuge

No one is worried. Just you.

Yeah, except being big, strong and playing an NHL game in junior gives you an advantage in junior, once you get those guys to the bigs that advantage is gone because every second guy is big and strong, and all NHLers play an NHL style game, coincidentally.

So you get a guy now completely exposed as lacking in skill, and down the depth chart he goes, from NHL to AHL to ECHL to washout.
- TommyDeVito

This is exactly where the current development of hockey players in youth hockey falls on its face repeatedly.

Some Pee Wee coach decides Tommy is going to be defenseman because he's big and has a long reach (and mainly because it appears like Tommy is slower than his little tiny team mates). So Tommy gets type cast and told to take it easy while his little team mates play shinny and look great to all those hockey moms screaming from the sidelines.

Just because a larger player is larger... doesn't mean he doesn't have skill or can't have skill, it generally means it takes a little longer for the coordination to mature.

Your an Ottawa fan - so you should know just how bad and uncoordinated Chara looked during the early years. Did it mean he lacked skill?

Leagues that generally focus on organized shinny (reference the "Q") produce a disproportionate number of players who score a ton... translated have a lot of skill - but mysteriously that skill disappears when they play against stronger, larger and faster opposition.

Your an Ottawa fan so you should understand the Alexandre Daigle scenario.

The entire thing comes down to opportunity. If those guys mentioned earlier in the thread who are Oilers prospects never get the chance to play the minutes that an Eberle or a Yakupov get, how are they going to develop. It is really difficult to score 20 goals in the NHL, and it is even more difficult to do it playing 7-10 minutes a game without any powerplay time.

he hasn't exactly progressed as planned since his draft year. Wasn't even a PPG in the OHL this year.

Last year Cloutier said Tyler Biggs is a guy you build your team around. I think he reads 6'3 and thinks he's s superstar
- TheNugeIsHuge

with that being said, what kind of player is Edmonton missing in its top six?

would a David Clarkson type player perhaps fit?

what if Biggs turns out to be another Clarkson?

Nashville doesnt need to rebuild! Columbus should trade a center to toronto!

Maybe if Toronto throw Kadri in the deal and a 1st round draft pics. No way Weber is getting traded unless it is franchise impacting trade. Not to mention, Nashville will already have paid 30+% of the overall contract in the first year and a half. No way No way.

Something like Weber + one season of ~$4M cap retention (not sure if you can retain that much) for Liles + Rielly + Ashton + Biggs + 2014 2nd Round pick seems much more reasonable for both sides IMO.
- Lipchitz

Are you crazy? If Weber goes, Toronto is sending back Phaneuf and Kadri.

with that being said, what kind of player is Edmonton missing in its top six?

would a David Clarkson type player perhaps fit?

what if Biggs turns out to be another Clarkson?
- BorjeFan4Ever

I missed the context here. Were we talking about Edmonton acquiring Biggs?

Any number of defensively solid, bigger guys could compliment the Oilers top 6/ top 9. Biggs might be one of them, but there are probably about 100 players that could compliment the oilers top 6 in the next couple of years, and not many of them would cost that much to acquire.

I missed the context here. Were we talking about Edmonton acquiring Biggs?

Any number of defensively solid, bigger guys could compliment the Oilers top 6/ top 9. Biggs might be one of them, but there are probably about 100 players that could compliment the oilers top 6 in the next couple of years, and not many of them would cost that much to acquire.
- Morris

context was essentially someone ripping Biggs for having little or no value "because big guys should dominate in junior hockey"...

the counter point, and I think a reasonable non-home one is that big guys take a while to develop... and that isn't it exactly a big robust guy who can skate that's missing in the Oilers top 6?

Logic and reason from the EDM fan named IhateBrianBurke, that's kind of funny.
- Lipchitz

Ouch you attacked my username. When you can't make any logical points go to insults. Good game plan.

put that running your mouth with nothing to back it up to work. You'll be back where you started. Looking like a fool
- TheNugeIsHuge

Bam!

context was essentially someone ripping Biggs for having little or no value "because big guys should dominate in junior hockey"...

the counter point, and I think a reasonable non-home one is that big guys take a while to develop... and that isn't it exactly a big robust guy who can skate that's missing in the Oilers top 6?
- BorjeFan4Ever

Well it's a complicated question because in terms of wingers there's not a lot of players that whatever their size would trump Hall, Eberle, Yakupov or Perron in pure skill. However, if we retain such a core I anticipate us transitioning into 3 fairly even lines as the years go by. In this instance, I'd love to have a couple big/defensive stalwart wingers. And we've got a few in the pipeline, with varying levels of offensive potential.

Unless we're talking about the big two-way, centre to maybe one day replace Gagner. However, I feel like a lot of those types of players usually DO show a lot in junior and get drafted pretty high. Especially those that play a power game.

My reputation with leafs fans was becoming pretty good prior to today.
- TheNugeIsHuge

My agreeing with him was only that Reilly is a more promising prospect than Nurse or Klefblom.

I didn't read past his comment and Iggy's response so I am not sure what else was said.

... as far as Reilly being a top-3 prospect before the injury, I do remember hearing that, but I definitely did not read it from anyone credible. I am guessing someone said it once and the Leafs fans who heard it ran with it. It's what fans do.

with that being said, what kind of player is Edmonton missing in its top six?

would a David Clarkson type player perhaps fit?

what if Biggs turns out to be another Clarkson?
- BorjeFan4Ever

Be a 3rd liner til 28?

context was essentially someone ripping Biggs for having little or no value "because big guys should dominate in junior hockey"...

the counter point, and I think a reasonable non-home one is that big guys take a while to develop... and that isn't it exactly a big robust guy who can skate that's missing in the Oilers top 6?
- BorjeFan4Ever

never said he had little to no value. Said he had similar value to EDM's prospect, Khaira. Both had nearly the same NHLE. Both 6'3 and play power games. Both project to be fringe 2nd liners to good 3rd liners. Biggs has draft pedigree, but don't see him having anything else on Khaira.

My agreeing with him was only that Reilly is a more promising prospect than Nurse or Klefblom.

I didn't read past his comment and Iggy's response so I am not sure what else was said.

... as far as Reilly being a top-3 prospect before the injury, I do remember hearing that, but I definitely did not read it from anyone credible. I am guessing someone said it once and the Leafs fans who heard it ran with it. It's what fans do.
- Aetherial

I think Rielly has a higher ceiling than Klefbom and Nurse but I think it's likely they all top out as top pairing guys.

I said Nurse and Rielly were both ranked from around 5th-8th and this guy flipped and said he was a top 3 talent for 2 hours and somehow compared him to Pietrangelo.

No one is worried. Just you.
- Lipchitz

Jesus man, trolling is for tools. I guess if the shoe fits , wear it, but this whole got real lame thanks in large part to you. Have a good night.

I think Rielly has a higher ceiling than Klefbom and Nurse but I think it's likely they all top out as top pairing guys.

I said Nurse and Rielly were both ranked from around 5th-8th and this guy flipped and said he was a top 3 talent for 2 hours and somehow compared him to Pietrangelo.
- TheNugeIsHuge

Its hard to compare nurse and klefbom with rielly. They play a totally different game.

Klefbom and Nurse a more of a shutdown were rielly is offensive

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- Oilers4Life14

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- Oilers4Life14

1st boobies you've seen?

So Klefbom is untouchable but you throw away Weber for 2 prospects and a 3rd line C......