biggs 2nd year after draft less than ppg in junior, tough as pudding = scrub = bust = colborneV.2
- all mighty oil

We all know how to look at a stat sheet.

Weber's $7.85 M cap hit would be too high, like I said, if Phaneuf is part of the deal... then yes
- PatC80

I'd want to resign Phaneuf if the Leafs brought in Weber...

I'd want to resign Phaneuf if the Leafs brought in Weber...
- Lipchitz

In Trade Wars, does the cap go up to $90M?

I'd want to resign Phaneuf if the Leafs brought in Weber...
- Lipchitz

the leafs could not afford both those guys in the cap world.

In Trade Wars, does the cap go up to $90M?
- PatC80

No, it doesn't but I fail to see why that would be necessary. Move Liles -- not Phaneuf.

Who was that? Also Biggs is a BAMF. Not a ton of trade value, but still value.
Definetly not what would be needed for Weber.
- pbrsimps

Tobias Rieder. I guess I should've explained though. Points in Junior hockey get very overrated, especially for guys that have been already drafted.

Ryan Martindale 65GP 34G-49A
Curtis Hamilton 62Gp 26G-56A

Two guys that have size and put up numbers after draft year, but have struggled mightly to make an impact at pro.

Not saying Biggs is going to be a bust, but I wouldn't get all excited that he did well post-draft. It's par for the course.

the leafs could not afford both those guys in the cap world.
- zazzle

Not in a $63M cap world but CHI just won a cup with Seabrook, Keith, Hossa, Kane, Toews and Sharp

Did K-Mart have a sale on crystal balls or something?
- Lipchitz

K-Mart still exists?

Colborne played in the NCAA and Schremp doesn't play a similar game to Biggs at all. I don't even know where the references came from. Clearly a dumb-witted Oilers troll.
- Lipchitz

Yeah the comparison doesn't really make sense, at least compare him to some bust power forward if you think he's going to be bad.

K-Mart still exists?
- Lahey

http://www.kmart.com/shc/...y+with+Sears?countryCd=CA

1) The Philadelphia Flyers offer F Brayden Schenn and D Bruno Gervais to the Dallas Stars in exchange for D Brenden Dillon and a 2015 first-round pick.

The Stars with a 1-2 punch at center of Tyler Seguin and Schenn is formidable, and I still believe center is the most important position on any hockey team. Every cup winner seems to have a great 1-2 punch. The Stars would be set at the position for the next 10-12 years with these two.

You love saying "this team is set for 10-12 years". You've probably used this statement across at least 15 different teams and countless combinations of players over GOD knows how many blogs.

Seriously, what team has two players that have been on their team for 10 plus years? Datsyuk and Zetterberg are the only two that come to my mind. Not every good young player is Datsyuk or Zetterberg, and pairing them with another good player for the sake of the statement doesn't make them as good either. Christ.

(3) The New York Rangers offer D Michael Del Zotto and a second-round pick in the 2014 NHL Draft to the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for F Ales Hemsky [salary retained] and D Denis Grebeshkov.

The funny thing about the Del Zotto acquisition is, I’m not sure I’d keep him. He’d be easy to flip for a different player the Oilers need. Unlike Hemsky, you could bundle Del Zotto with a second quality asset or 1st round pick to bring in a top pairing defenseman. Del Zotto traded by himself would bring you an excellent 3rd line winger…someone who is two-way, has size, and can bang. In other words, an asset Hemsky hasn’t been able to bring in via trade.

*facepalm*

1. The Nashville Predators offer defenseman Shea Weber to the Toronto Maple Leafs for center Tyler Bozak, defenseman Morgan Rielly, and winger Tyler Biggs

*SUPER FACEPALM*

2. The Columbus Blue Jackets offer center Ryan Johansen for center David Krejci

My head just exploded

Yeah the comparison doesn't really make sense, at least compare him to some bust power forward if you think he's going to be bad.
- TheLeafsInsider

JFJ

Yeah the comparison doesn't really make sense, at least compare him to some bust power forward if you think he's going to be bad.
- TheLeafsInsider

see Hugh Jessiman

You love saying "this team is set for 10-12 years". You've probably used this statement across at least 15 different teams and countless combinations of players over GOD knows how many blogs.

Seriously, what team has two players that have been on their team for 10 plus years? Datsyuk and Zetterberg are the only two that come to my mind. Not every good young player is Datsyuk or Zetterberg, and pairing them with another good player for the sake of the statement doesn't make them as good either. Christ.




*facepalm*




*SUPER FACEPALM*



My head just exploded
- mochoson

So there's grease from your Jersey shore hairdo all over the wall

Not in a $63M cap world but CHI just won a cup with Seabrook, Keith, Hossa, Kane, Toews and Sharp
- Lipchitz

If both Phaneuf and Weber are Leafs, you can no longer afford Kessel. Who plays forward

If both Phaneuf and Weber are Leafs, you can no longer afford Kessel. Who plays forward
- PatC80

biggs and colborne

If both Phaneuf and Weber are Leafs, you can no longer afford Kessel. Who plays forward
- PatC80

There's no reason why you can't. There are so many variables here, what will the cap be, what will it take to resign Phaneuf, for Kessel, Kadri, Franson, etc etc. If you can get Phaneuf for $5.5-$6M and Kessel for $6.5-$7M it could definitely work.

i like the weber deal but phaneuf needs to go the other way. we dont have the capspace to afford weber.

I'd do Weber for Phaneuf, Bozak, and a 1st rd pick/Tyler Biggs.

If both Phaneuf and Weber are Leafs, you can no longer afford Kessel. Who plays forward
- PatC80

Chicago just won with 5 guys averaging roughly 6 mil. And another at 5.2ish

Something like Weber + one season of ~$4M cap retention (not sure if you can retain that much) for Liles + Rielly + Ashton + Biggs + 2014 2nd Round pick seems much more reasonable for both sides IMO.
- Lipchitz

Not really, Nashville is still getting riped off. For them to keep some of the salary we would have to give up even more.

Liles: No trade value. Despite still being a decent PMD in my mind, we cant get anything for him because of his contract. If we could, he would be gone by now.

Ashton: little trade value. He wouldnt fetch much more than a 3rd or 4th im guessing. Wouldnt be surprised if he is a career ahl with nhl spot duty. Could also still turn into a decent third liner, but I doubt it.

Biggs: Has done nothing to suggest he is a bad prospect, had a decent year in the O, but he was also 19/20 playing against 16-20 yr olds. He better be producing. He has value, but a realistic projection is probably a good 2 way 3rd line winger who can beat the crap out of anyone.

Rielly: Blue chip dman prospect, serious trade value.
2nd rounder is a 2nd rounder, but it would have to be 2015, we dont have our 2014 due to bolland trade.

Thats not a very good package. We're talking about one of the best dman in the league. Especially when you want them to keep half his salary one year. If you sub in a lesser D prospect for rielly (any of pittsburgh good d prospects), thats a package more suited for an extended Phanuef.

A deal for weber would start with rielly/gardiner and a 1st. Then add some cap going the other way like liles and maybe another player. I could see nashville really wanting kulimen. Add a second and a good prospect or two. Thats the package.

They can't..

Unless, It's Phaneuf, Bozak, Rielly and Biggs..
- PatC80

If you can get Weber for that package, you can turn around and trade phaneuf for a centerman of Bozak quality and then you've basically just swapped Phaneuf for Weber.

Something like Weber + one season of ~$4M cap retention (not sure if you can retain that much) for Liles + Rielly + Ashton + Biggs + 2014 2nd Round pick seems much more reasonable for both sides IMO.
- Lipchitz

No, no it doesn't.

There's no reason why you can't. There are so many variables here, what will the cap be, what will it take to resign Phaneuf, for Kessel, Kadri, Franson, etc etc. If you can get Phaneuf for $5.5-$6M and Kessel for $6.5-$7M it could definitely work.
- Lipchitz

If Phaneuf is such an amazing defenseman like you Toronto fans make him out to be then why would he take a paycut?

Tobias Rieder. I guess I should've explained though. Points in Junior hockey get very overrated, especially for guys that have been already drafted.

Ryan Martindale 65GP 34G-49A
Curtis Hamilton 62Gp 26G-56A

Two guys that have size and put up numbers after draft year, but have struggled mightly to make an impact at pro.

Not saying Biggs is going to be a bust, but I wouldn't get all excited that he did well post-draft. It's par for the course.
- Lahey

Oh right, forgot about reider. Wasnt he traded?
Oh I know, I follow junior hockey, well at least the O, pretty closely. You can put up big numbers in junior and barely make the ECHL. The thing about Biggs, is he is huge, tough and plays a pro style game already. Dont know about your guys.

I agree with you saying "cause Biggs was nearly a PPG in junior, he will end up a top 6 forward, with a means streak" is not accurate.
But he still has decent trade value, as a lot of teams bank on those sort of guys, hoping they've found the new lucic.

There's no reason why you can't. There are so many variables here, what will the cap be, what will it take to resign Phaneuf, for Kessel, Kadri, Franson, etc etc. If you can get Phaneuf for $5.5-$6M and Kessel for $6.5-$7M it could definitely work.
- Lipchitz

Do you honestly think that Phaneuf is going to take a pay decrease? I doubt it, unless its an 8 year deal i guess. Even then i don't think he takes a haircut, same money maybe.