Do you honestly think that Phaneuf is going to take a pay decrease? I doubt it, unless its an 8 year deal i guess. Even then i don't think he takes a haircut, same money maybe.
- Marshalle

With a decreased cap I don't think teams will be lining up to give Phaneuf $7M plus. He just isn't good enough to warrant that.

Again, like Yost said, Biggs was 40th in goals and 94th in assists in the OHL. That's not really "fantastic."
- isles10289

No one is touting him as the next Lindros. He still has a decent shot at a long NHL career. It's not like he has disappointed since the draft either.

Still imagining that Nashville billionaire owners can't/won't afford Weber's salary...
- jmatchett383

Keep imagining.

Kadri would definitely have to be in any Weber trade. And it still wouldn't happen.

Kadri would definitely have to be in any Weber trade. And it still wouldn't happen.
- ProudestMonkey

I'd offer Gardiner + Kadri + Liles + Ashton

Nope on the Leafs deal.

Simply too much money for the Leafs to take on.

Would certainly mean that Dion'd be out the door

Del Zotto traded by himself would bring you an excellent 3rd line winger…someone who is two-way, has size, and can bang. In other words, an asset Hemsky hasn’t been able to bring in via trade.

Agreed. Which is exactly what Yost should have done in the first place.

Rangers have McD, Staal, and Moore on the left side. DZ doesn't have a spot unless he plays the right side, which makes him even worse.

But, because he's an offensive defensemen, he has value. If the Rangers were smart, they'd package him with either a pick or a prospect for a significant improvement, like a strong two-way top 6 forward, or high end defensemen.

I'm talking about packaging Del Zotto and Kreider for a high end forward who can play two-way hockey and put up ~60 points.

How can the Leafs afford to take on Weber's salary?

Pass.
- PatC80

You trade someone else for picks.

Liles and a 6th for failed project and a 7th. Team gets a useless upgraded pick and a possible steal if Liles turns his game around.

When offered the best player for futures you take it. Although I would get Kessel extended first lol.

People really don't seem to like my Leafs/Predators offer, but I'm telling you right now: Weber's contract is a train wreck and the reason I'm making the deal is to help the Preds in the future. The deal adds roster depth and a future top pairing defenseman in Rielly, giving the Preds a chance to get a top pairing guy in a more reasonable range (maybe $5-$6mil per season when he's in his prime). The Flyers structured the Weber offer sheet in a way that they thought there was no way the Preds would match. Now, they get to live with that awful contract, no matter how good the player is.

The Leafs are one of the few teams that could actually absorb the Weber contract without it ruining the balance sheet. They get the best player in the deal, but the Preds get three solid, young pieces back, and they get to lose a contract that is terrible/dangerous.

People really don't seem to like my Leafs/Predators offer, but I'm telling you right now: Weber's contract is a train wreck and the reason I'm making the deal is to help the Preds in the future. The deal adds roster depth and a future top pairing defenseman in Rielly, giving the Preds a chance to get a top pairing guy in a more reasonable range (maybe $5-$6mil per season when he's in his prime). The Flyers structured the Weber offer sheet in a way that they thought there was no way the Preds would match. Now, they get to live with that awful contract, no matter how good the player is.

The Leafs are one of the few teams that could actually absorb the Weber contract without it ruining the balance sheet. They get the best player in the deal, but the Preds get three solid, young pieces back, and they get to lose a contract that is terrible/dangerous.
- Maxbone

Eh...elite player still in his 20s and not even in the top 5 top contracts in the game, and arguably the biggest draw the whole franchise has. Why is it that much of a train wreck? how much is Shea Weber really worth?

And most importantly, why can't they continue to build around him?

sooooo Yost will decline both of those.

Bozak, Rielly, and Biggs?

Gagner, Klefbom, and Khaira gets it done then. Brutal

Eh...elite player still in his 20s and not even in the top 5 top contracts in the game, and arguably the biggest draw the whole franchise has. Why is it that much of a train wreck? how much is Shea Weber really worth?

And most importantly, why can't they continue to build around him?
- Morris

Exactly.

I can't get over the amount of leaf fans in here who are saying "Nope, I wouldn't want him, because he costs money. Ew."

People really don't seem to like my Leafs/Predators offer, but I'm telling you right now: Weber's contract is a train wreck and the reason I'm making the deal is to help the Preds in the future. The deal adds roster depth and a future top pairing defenseman in Rielly, giving the Preds a chance to get a top pairing guy in a more reasonable range (maybe $5-$6mil per season when he's in his prime). The Flyers structured the Weber offer sheet in a way that they thought there was no way the Preds would match. Now, they get to live with that awful contract, no matter how good the player is.

The Leafs are one of the few teams that could actually absorb the Weber contract without it ruining the balance sheet. They get the best player in the deal, but the Preds get three solid, young pieces back, and they get to lose a contract that is terrible/dangerous.
- Maxbone

yea but the leafs can also not afford Franson or Kadri this year then

sooooo Yost will decline both of those.

Bozak, Rielly, and Biggs?

Gagner, Klefbom, and Khaira gets it done then. Brutal
- TheNugeIsHuge

You don't understand. CLOUTIER offered Weber for those guys.

The only reason Weber gets dealt is if he wants out. Haven't they already paid out a 1/3 of the contract? Can't see them moving him now after doing that.

sooooo Yost will decline both of those.

Bozak, Rielly, and Biggs?

Gagner, Klefbom, and Khaira gets it done then. Brutal
- TheNugeIsHuge

Hahaha whatever you say.

sooooo Yost will decline both of those.

Bozak, Rielly, and Biggs?

Gagner, Klefbom, and Khaira gets it done then. Brutal
- TheNugeIsHuge

that should probably mean that Yost will accept the deal.

Exactly.

I can't get over the amount of leaf fans in here who are saying "Nope, I wouldn't want him, because he costs money. Ew."
- TommyDeVito

No kidding, his contract won't even be an issue once the cap goes back to 70+M. This year will be an issue but with a trade that sends Liles and a small pick for a no body AHL player and a smaller pick frees up enough to come close to signing both Kadri and Franson. Offer them both bridge contracts (one year) so the Leafs can afford everyone under the cap then pay them big bucks if they earn it.

No kidding, his contract won't even be an issue once the cap goes back to 70+M. This year will be an issue but with a trade that sends Liles and a small pick for a no body AHL player and a smaller pick frees up enough to come close to signing both Kadri and Franson. Offer them both bridge contracts (one year) so the Leafs can afford everyone under the cap then pay them big bucks if they earn it.
- Steven_Dean

I don't his contract is an issue now. He's elite, and he's paid like it. The Leafs would dish out lots of guys to make it happen.

buyout Liles, dump Kulemin if they have to. It's Shea friggin Weber!

Tough to say Phaneuf, Weber, Gardiner, Gunnarsson, Franson and Ranger/Fraser isn't one of the best Dcores in the league.

Does Tyler Biggs actually have any trade value?
- Jack-artist

he hasn't exactly progressed as planned since his draft year. Wasn't even a PPG in the OHL this year.

Last year Cloutier said Tyler Biggs is a guy you build your team around. I think he reads 6'3 and thinks he's s superstar

People really don't seem to like my Leafs/Predators offer, but I'm telling you right now: Weber's contract is a train wreck and the reason I'm making the deal is to help the Preds in the future. The deal adds roster depth and a future top pairing defenseman in Rielly, giving the Preds a chance to get a top pairing guy in a more reasonable range (maybe $5-$6mil per season when he's in his prime). The Flyers structured the Weber offer sheet in a way that they thought there was no way the Preds would match. Now, they get to live with that awful contract, no matter how good the player is.

The Leafs are one of the few teams that could actually absorb the Weber contract without it ruining the balance sheet. They get the best player in the deal, but the Preds get three solid, young pieces back, and they get to lose a contract that is terrible/dangerous.
- Maxbone

In case you haven't noticed, the new contracts being signed by elite players in the league are going up. Just look at the Malkin and Giroux's resignings. If Bogosian is worth 5.1 Weber is definitely worth 7.85. Elite players are the big ticket draws in the NHL. How many fans are gonna watch Nashville this year to watch Tyler Bozak if they make that trade? That's right. None. Also, Weber is going to play a huge part in the development of Seth Jones this year. He gets to learn how to be a superstar defenseman from one of the best. Weber is going nowhere.

People really don't seem to like my Leafs/Predators offer, but I'm telling you right now: Weber's contract is a train wreck and the reason I'm making the deal is to help the Preds in the future. The deal adds roster depth and a future top pairing defenseman in Rielly, giving the Preds a chance to get a top pairing guy in a more reasonable range (maybe $5-$6mil per season when he's in his prime). The Flyers structured the Weber offer sheet in a way that they thought there was no way the Preds would match. Now, they get to live with that awful contract, no matter how good the player is.

The Leafs are one of the few teams that could actually absorb the Weber contract without it ruining the balance sheet. They get the best player in the deal, but the Preds get three solid, young pieces back, and they get to lose a contract that is terrible/dangerous.
- Maxbone

Ruining the balance sheet?

You clearly have no clue about business. The Preds have already paid a huge portion of the contract. Weber has a heavily front loaded deal. You talk out of your ass so much its pathetic. There is also the possibility of huge cap recapture penalties for both team involved in any trade. Stop trying to pretend you know what you are talking about.

Hahaha whatever you say.
- Steven_Dean

far off in value? don't think so

You don't understand. CLOUTIER offered Weber for those guys.
- TommyDeVito

whoops

Hahaha whatever you say.
- Steven_Dean

Its virtually an identical package...
Gags>Bozak
Reilly=Klef
Khaira>Biggs