You can report all you want, your not getting Miller for that scrub Hemsky.
- SABRES 89

If you want to call Hemmer a scrub, fine by me, but if you also expect some great return for Miller I think you're going to end up disappointed. Cory Schneider, who is younger,cheaper and has term on his contract went for a top 10 pick and nothing else. Miller will get you much , much less.

How much do you weigh?
- hankthetank

How old are you?

He can't hold Miller's jock and if he was so great, the Oilers wouldn't want to trade him.
- SABRES 89

If Miller was so great then why would Buffalo want to trade him? Plus I never heard any Dubnyk rumours.

If you want to call Hemmer a scrub, fine by me, but if you also expect some great return for Miller I think you're going to end up disappointed. Cory Schneider, who is younger,cheaper and has term on his contract went for a top 10 pick and nothing else. Miller will get you much , much less.
- Jeropotato

I don't believe anything I read on this site to be honest, the Sabres have been getting Iginla for 2 years acooring to Garth and EK.

He can't hold Miller's jock and if he was so great, the Oilers wouldn't want to trade him.
- SABRES 89

Of course he can't.

And if Miller was so great, the Sabres wouldn't want to trade him.

If Miller was so great then why would Buffalo want to trade him? Plus I never heard any Dubnyk rumours.
- Dangles13

Have you ever heard our GM come right out and say he was going to move Miller? no he hasn't, all speculation.

Seriously... Oilers fans think they're going to get Miller straight up for Hemsky?! That's funny. Your guy thinks Dubnyk is as good as Miller? That is even funnier! Miller has faced 800 more shots than Dubnyk over the past 2 seasons... you don't think that makes a HUGE difference in stats? The guy was a one-man show on most nights... the Sabres didn't have the offense the Oilers had, so he had to put it all on himself for them to have a chance on most nights. That pressure alone often makes a guy worse because they become tense and dwell on honest mistakes that happen to every player. If he knew he could allow 2-3 goals per night and actually win, he'd probably let in fewer just because of the peace of mind that the entire season isn't solely placed on him each game all year.

If there is any truth to this rumor whatsoever... I'd be surprised if Perron and Stafford were not also a part of it. Miller has won 10 more games than Dubnyk and only 2 more losses, the past 2 seasons... if Miller was playing horrible, what does that say about Dubnyk? Not to mention, the Oilers could benefit from a having a proven winner like Miller on their roster. There is something to be said for guys who have been through playoffs and Olympics like he has... every team needs that on their roster and in their locker room. Regier has always wanted Perron.
- djc1877

Really? Ecklund posted a blog. What Oilers fan actually thinks its going down?

Of course he can't.

And if Miller was so great, the Sabres wouldn't want to trade him.
- laughs2907

Our GM has never come out and said he is moving Miller or Vanek, all here say on this site and a little on TSN.

Have you ever heard our GM come right out and say he was going to move Miller? no he hasn't, all speculation.
- SABRES 89

This whole thread is speculation, when trade rumours happen with this frequency there is usually some truth in it, no matter how small.

I don't believe anything I read on this site to be honest, the Sabres have been getting Iginla for 2 years acooring to Garth and EK.
- SABRES 89

Nobody else does either. And Least I would assume as much. Never know about some of the Tards on here ,mind you.

Have you ever heard our GM come right out and say he was going to move Miller? no he hasn't, all speculation.
- SABRES 89

I didn't. I thought I heard both Vanek and Miller speak as though the expected to get dealt though.

This whole thread is speculation, when trade rumours happen with this frequency there is usually some truth in it, no matter how small.
- Dangles13

I guess we will see.

I didn't. I thought I heard both Vanek and Miller speak as though the expected to get dealt though.
- Jeropotato

Sounds more like it from Vanek then Miller that a move happens, or wants to happen. Big mistake IMO to move Vanek.

You guys want Myers? you can have him.

Oilers should take this deal and run for their life.

Our GM has never come out and said he is moving Miller or Vanek, all here say on this site and a little on TSN.
- SABRES 89

The Buffalo Sabres have been attempting to trade forward Thomas Vanek and goaltender Ryan Miller this offseason but have failed to find the right deals, according to manager Darcy Regier.

Regier provided media availability during the second intermission of the team's prospect scrimmage on Friday and stated that he has been fielding calls on the two players. However, issues have complicated Regier's ability to strike an attractive deal. The biggest one being the declining $64.3 million salary cap in 2013-14.

According to Regier, teams are seeking financial relief in any deal involving Miller or Vanek, via Die by the Blade:

"Any discussion that I have now involves taking back money, moving money...money plays a very big role," said the GM.
The manager also stated that the closer it gets to training camp, the more likely it is that both players start the year on the Sabres roster. This would likely mean a diminished return on any potential deal that could be worked out in the future.

Miller and Vanek are both entering the final years of their contracts and will become unrestricted free agents next summer. Buffalo is heading towards a complete rebuild, which likely doesn't include/interest either Miller or Vanek. The Sabres have openly expressed a desire to reconstruct the roster through the draft. Moving established players like Miller and/or Vanek likely would generate an influx of prospects/selections in future drafts.

This is contingent upon Regier finding a team of interest, which apparently hasn't been easy. The longer it drags on, the fewer games Miller and Vanek have to play with a new team. This is why the return might diminish over time. Of course, the landscape might be different around the trade deadline and the Sabres could still receive a quality return on their expiring assets.

Time will tell whether that is the case.

http://www.sbnation.com/n...-ryan-miller-thomas-vanek

Seriously... Oilers fans think they're going to get Miller straight up for Hemsky?! That's funny. Your guy thinks Dubnyk is as good as Miller? That is even funnier! Miller has faced 800 more shots than Dubnyk over the past 2 seasons... you don't think that makes a HUGE difference in stats? The guy was a one-man show on most nights... the Sabres didn't have the offense the Oilers had, so he had to put it all on himself for them to have a chance on most nights. That pressure alone often makes a guy worse because they become tense and dwell on honest mistakes that happen to every player. If he knew he could allow 2-3 goals per night and actually win, he'd probably let in fewer just because of the peace of mind that the entire season isn't solely placed on him each game all year.

If there is any truth to this rumor whatsoever... I'd be surprised if Perron and Stafford were not also a part of it. Miller has won 10 more games than Dubnyk and only 2 more losses, the past 2 seasons... if Miller was playing horrible, what does that say about Dubnyk? Not to mention, the Oilers could benefit from a having a proven winner like Miller on their roster. There is something to be said for guys who have been through playoffs and Olympics like he has... every team needs that on their roster and in their locker room. Regier has always wanted Perron.
- djc1877

By my calculation, it's 546 more shots.

1788 to 1380 in 2011-2012
1270 to 1132 in 2012-2013

So there's that. By the way, as per your assertion that Edmonton had way better offense than Buffalo, Edmonton has scored precisely 1 more goal than Buffalo over the past two years.

Then there's the fact that in terms of shots per game, Miller is 30.3 over the past two years and Dubnyk is 29.5. Very little actual difference there. I will applaud Miller's workload though.

Miller has won 10 more games and lost 2 more in 20 more starts. Dubnyk started for the worst team in the league one of those years.

Not saying Miller isn't more proven, but you've clearly thrown yourself on the altar of selective stats here.

Sounds more like it from Vanek then Miller that a move happens, or wants to happen. Big mistake IMO to move Vanek.
- SABRES 89

No matter who was coming back? Why keep a guy who clearly doesn't want to be there and can walk at the end of the year? Would you really take a chance on him re-signing?
EDIT: serious question btw. Do sabre fans believe he wants to come back? We can judge from the outside but what do the fans think? Personally i would get something for him, and at the trade deadline it could be a healthy haul as well.

GUYS, GUYS!
Have you noticed that clouts calls this piece of trash a "report"?????

The Buffalo Sabres have been attempting to trade forward Thomas Vanek and goaltender Ryan Miller this offseason but have failed to find the right deals, according to manager Darcy Regier.

Regier provided media availability during the second intermission of the team's prospect scrimmage on Friday and stated that he has been fielding calls on the two players. However, issues have complicated Regier's ability to strike an attractive deal. The biggest one being the declining $64.3 million salary cap in 2013-14.

According to Regier, teams are seeking financial relief in any deal involving Miller or Vanek, via Die by the Blade:

"Any discussion that I have now involves taking back money, moving money...money plays a very big role," said the GM.
The manager also stated that the closer it gets to training camp, the more likely it is that both players start the year on the Sabres roster. This would likely mean a diminished return on any potential deal that could be worked out in the future.

Miller and Vanek are both entering the final years of their contracts and will become unrestricted free agents next summer. Buffalo is heading towards a complete rebuild, which likely doesn't include/interest either Miller or Vanek. The Sabres have openly expressed a desire to reconstruct the roster through the draft. Moving established players like Miller and/or Vanek likely would generate an influx of prospects/selections in future drafts.

This is contingent upon Regier finding a team of interest, which apparently hasn't been easy. The longer it drags on, the fewer games Miller and Vanek have to play with a new team. This is why the return might diminish over time. Of course, the landscape might be different around the trade deadline and the Sabres could still receive a quality return on their expiring assets.

Time will tell whether that is the case.

http://www.sbnation.com/n...-ryan-miller-thomas-vanek
- laughs2907

I seen all of that before however, if you follow our team or our CLUELESS GM, you would know he likes to talk and that's it.

By my calculation, it's 546 more shots.

1788 to 1380 in 2011-2012
1270 to 1132 in 2012-2013

So there's that. By the way, as per your assertion that Edmonton had way better offense than Buffalo, Edmonton has scored precisely 1 more goal than Buffalo over the past two years.

Then there's the fact that in terms of shots per game, Miller is 30.3 over the past two years and Dubnyk is 29.5. Very little actual difference there. I will applaud Miller's workload though.

Miller has won 10 more games and lost 2 more in 20 more starts. Dubnyk started for the worst team in the league one of those years.

Not saying Miller isn't more proven, but you've clearly thrown yourself on the altar of selective stats here.
- Morris

If Miller was so great then why would Buffalo want to trade him? Plus I never heard any Dubnyk rumours.
- Dangles13

I think he meant hemsky.


but his point was still ridiculous.

it's totally black and white. anytime a team wants to trade a player it's because he sucks. there are no mitigating factors ..ever.

No matter who was coming back? Why keep a guy who clearly doesn't want to be there and can walk at the end of the year? Would you really take a chance on him re-signing?
EDIT: serious question btw. Do sabre fans believe he wants to come back? We can judge from the outside but what do the fans think? Personally i would get something for him, and at the trade deadline it could be a healthy haul as well.
- Marshalle

Our GM has this team so screwed up, I don't think it matters anymore.

I think he meant hemsky.


but his point was still ridiculous.

it's totally black and white. anytime a team wants to trade a player it's because he sucks. there are no mitigating factors ..ever.
- hugefemale dog77

Why is it ridicules? and I never mentioned Duby at all. Miller is a better player then Hemsky even though it's a different position.

just buy him out already