I'm all for sticking with the Big Easy this year. If he doesn't work out, address it next year. I think he will be a solid tender. MacT needs to address the teams size and D first.
- doon

Size is overrated, what we need is compete level. Detroit and Chicago have a few big boys but its the mid-little sized guys that carry those teams to cups, Ditto Pittsburgh.

Isn't that basically what Edmonton is missing as well?
- Yeti1181

we might already have both.


but for realz, dubs is probably never gonna be elite. but he's far from the problem

we might already have both.


but for realz, dubs is probably never gonna be elite. but he's far from the problem
- hugefemale dog77

Just need that d core to gel together.

we might already have both.


but for realz, dubs is probably never gonna be elite. but he's far from the problem
- hugefemale dog77

seriously...+ so many it hurts...

give us a better Dcore (and the Oil have a better core than the past few years so far on paper) and DD wont have to face 33 shots a night...

we might already have both.


but for realz, dubs is probably never gonna be elite. but he's far from the problem
- hugefemale dog77

Does everyone forget the LONG list of mediocre goalies to win the cup?

In fact, I wonder if there are actually more elite cup winning goalies than non-elite cup winners...

Size is overrated, what we need is compete level. Detroit and Chicago have a few big boys but its the mid-little sized guys that carry those teams to cups, Ditto Pittsburgh.
- Dangles13

Besides Kane who are these little guys?

Besides Kane who are these little guys?
- Marshalle

maybe it's not little but there are plenty of guys that aren't particularly big for their position/role on both of those teams.

2010/2012 Blackhawks
Bolland, Krueger, Shaw, Sharp, Keith, Campbell, Versteeg, Madden

2009/2012 Penguins
Dupuis, Kunitz, Letang, Sutter, Martin, Recchi, Sykora, Talbot

If those guys are considered big, then Hall, Perron and eventually Nuge will be fine for size. Ference, Petry, Smid and Schultz are fine in the top 4 too.

Besides Kane who are these little guys?
- Marshalle

Well I said mid-little sized did I not?
Bolland [6'0 184]
Kruger [6'0 180]
Shaw [5'10 180]
Oduya [6'0 190]
Leddy [6'0 190]
and Kane [5'11 180]

These are the little guys, I didn't mention any mid size guys.

but his point was still ridiculous.

it's totally black and white. anytime a team wants to trade a player it's because he sucks. there are no mitigating factors ..ever.
- hugefemale dog77

We don't want to trade Miller because he sucks. Not even close.

No thanks to Miller. If you're offering Myers however...

Well I said mid-little sized did I not?
Bolland
- Dangles13[6'0 184]
Kruger [6'0 180]
Shaw [5'10 180]
Oduya [6'0 190]
Leddy [6'0 190]
and Kane [5'11 180]

These are the little guys, I didn't mention any mid size guys.

Not exactly what i would call the guys who carried the team to the cup. That would be the other guys you know Seabrooke, Keith, Toews, Bickell, Sharp, Hossa, Handzus, Hjarlmalapapayson etc. Only Sharp and Kane are really regular size guys. The rest offer some serious pushback and heavy leaning as well as skill. The Oilers are doing fine collecting the skill part, the rest is needed for the next step.

Not exactly what i would call the guys who carried the team to the cup. That would be the other guys you know Seabrooke, Keith, Toews, Bickell, Sharp, Hossa, Handzus, Hjarlmalapapayson etc. Only Sharp and Kane are really regular size guys. The rest offer some serious pushback and heavy leaning as well as skill. The Oilers are doing fine collecting the skill part, the rest is needed for the next step.
- Marshalle

We'll see. Our pro scouts apparently twisted MacT's arm to finalize a perron deal because his underlying possession stats were very favourable. That may indicate we're aiming for an up-tempo team that focuses on puck possession.

Yost says those kind of metrics map really well onto on-ice success, so we'll see. That being said, having guys that can shield the puck with their body adds another dimension to puck possession skill so it really couldn't hurt to add functional size.

The way I see the future lines:

Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
Big Winger-Nuge-Eberle
Perron-Big shutdown centre-defensive winger
energy winger-Gordon-energy winger

I seen all of that before however, if you follow our team or our CLUELESS GM, you would know he likes to talk and that's it.
- SABRES 89

But you just said, "Our GM has never come out and said he is moving Miller or Vanek"

I think a change for Miller would be good, also think that would bring back his elite status. Edmonton needs to start winning soon and Miller would be a good help towards. I like dubey but he's no Ryan Miller, yes Miller has had rough couple seasons but that was the team in general. I don't see buffalo taking Hemsky back no point for them as they are rebuilding and is why they want to trade Miller all he will do is help them draft in a worse position. I think it will be more like prospect, picks possibly dubynk going back.
- Yeti1181

If you replaced Dubnyk with Miller last season, the Oilers would have done worse.

DD is one of the worst starters in the league, he sucks compared to RM
- PinkSock

Stats and facts are stupid!

We'll see. Our pro scouts apparently twisted MacT's arm to finalize a perron deal because his underlying possession stats were very favourable. That may indicate we're aiming for an up-tempo team that focuses on puck possession.

Yost says those kind of metrics map really well onto on-ice success, so we'll see. That being said, having guys that can shield the puck with their body adds another dimension to puck possession skill so it really couldn't hurt to add functional size.

The way I see the future lines:

Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
Big Winger-Nuge-Eberle
Perron-Big shutdown centre-defensive winger
energy winger-Gordon-energy winger
- Morris

Yes, the don't need to be monsters, just enough size to force their skill and speed to the middle. You need strength and will to go with speed and skill.

Yes, the don't need to be monsters, just enough size to force their skill and speed to the middle. You need strength and will to go with speed and skill.
- Marshalle

for example, Steve Ott, Nikolai Kulemin and Colin Greening are all UFAs next year. Longshot we'd get them all at any kind of a good price, but if we went out and got them we could look like this:

Hall-Gags-Yak
Greening-Nuge-Ebs
Perron-Ott-Kuli
Joensuu-Gordon-Jones

I'd feel really confident with that group heading into 2014-2015

Stats and facts are stupid!
- laughs2907

Yep if I say someone is good then thats all that matter im the greatest

If that's the deal straight up, I would do it if I was Edmonton. I don't see why Buffalo would do it, I think they would want prospects and picks instead.

Hemsky and Gagner for Miller ... Done Deal!

Hemsky and Gagner for Miller ... Done Deal!
- moleinone

You forgot to finish your proposal, Hemsky and Gagner for Miller, Ott and Myers.

for example, Steve Ott, Nikolai Kulemin and Colin Greening are all UFAs next year. Longshot we'd get them all at any kind of a good price, but if we went out and got them we could look like this:

Hall-Gags-Yak
Greening-Nuge-Ebs
Perron-Ott-Kuli
Joensuu-Gordon-Jones

I'd feel really confident with that group heading into 2014-2015
- Morris

Just one of Greening or Kulemin would make me pretty happy.

Joensuu might be something. He'll probably just be a third liner at best. But that's all Bickell really is when he doesn't have Toews or Kane with him.

Richard Cloutier: Hemsky for Ryan Miller? The Cloutier Exclusive Report
- Maxbone

doesn;t matter what they feel about hemsky ... it matters how the other 29 gm's feel about him and what they are willing to give up.... mct can feel that he is worth an immediate player... but it doesn;t get hemsky traded.

If you replaced Dubnyk with Miller last season, the Oilers would have done worse.
- laughs2907

Highly doubt that.

Yep if I say someone is good then thats all that matter im the greatest
- Yeti1181

You certainly are