Just because Miller is better doesn't mean that we should drop everything and go acquire him. For Hemsky straight up, sure, but I'm not giving 1sts up for some brat whose going to undermine any attempts we've made at a culture change and then walk.

The debate isn't about Dubnyk and Miller. It's about whether it's prudent to acquire Miller if the cost is much beyond Hemsky. It's not prudent.
- Morris

yeah, very good point...I agree with you. I've just seen a lot of posts about Dubnyk being better. He's not even close.

We could get a way better return for Hamsky than a washed up disgruntled goalie.


PASS

Its an Ek roomer. Why is this even a thing?

Lahey likes men.

yeah, very good point...I agree with you. I've just seen a lot of posts about Dubnyk being better. He's not even close.
- JLO961

Miller is better probably at the present, but I think that gap is closing. If Dubnyk continues to improve, and Miller continues to regress it might be a different Convo this time next year.thats not homerism. That's just saying Dubnyk at his best might be better than a jaded, past his prime Miller. Might even take 2 or 3 years.

yeah, very good point...I agree with you. I've just seen a lot of posts about Dubnyk being better. He's not even close.
- JLO961

Miller is starting to decline, Dubnyk is starting to improve (actually he has been pretty (frank)ing awesome for the last 3 years)...

If you care to factor in that, plus cost, and attitude, this is indeed a no contest... I'd much rather have Dubnyk.

we might already have both.


but for realz, dubs is probably never gonna be elite. but he's far from the problem
- hugefemale dog77

on the surface it seems that he is far from the problem, but things compound. When you have guys that go 100% offense, don't get the goal, then play 80% defense and watch their goalie let in a soft goal...the current roster players have a tendency to let that let-down affect their play. Real professionals don't let the other players affect their performance and their compete level, but the current Oiler roster is inexperienced, offensively driven, and yes, VERY immature in terms of allowing single moments in a game to affect them mentally.

Having an inconsistent goaltender let in pretty much one soft goal a game is MUCH bigger than you think.

A great example of this, if you are a defenseman, is how you play a 2on1 with two separate goaltenders.

Confidence in your goaltender, you fake a move to the guy with the puck and make a B-line to the guy without...allowing the goalie to take on the puck carrier 100% while you cover the pass.

No confidence in your goaltender, you have to pretty much try and read what the puck carrier is going to do, because if he is allowed to go in on your goalie he will probably score (in your own mind, although perhaps not true).

Confidence in the goalie leads to a confident D core...which leads to more attempts and a higher completion of low percentage passes to the forwards....which is precisely what the Edmonton Oilers need.

Dubnyk is fine, but this team needs their goaltender to be one of, if not THE, best players. "Dubey" is not that guy.

on the surface it seems that he is far from the problem, but things compound. When you have guys that go 100% offense, don't get the goal, then play 80% defense and watch their goalie let in a soft goal...the current roster players have a tendency to let that let-down affect their play. Real professionals don't let the other players affect their performance and their compete level, but the current Oiler roster is inexperienced, offensively driven, and yes, VERY immature in terms of allowing single moments in a game to affect them mentally.

Having an inconsistent goaltender let in pretty much one soft goal a game is MUCH bigger than you think.

A great example of this, if you are a defenseman, is how you play a 2on1 with two separate goaltenders.

Confidence in your goaltender, you fake a move to the guy with the puck and make a B-line to the guy without...allowing the goalie to take on the puck carrier 100% while you cover the pass.

No confidence in your goaltender, you have to pretty much try and read what the puck carrier is going to do, because if he is allowed to go in on your goalie he will probably score (in your own mind, although perhaps not true).

Confidence in the goalie leads to a confident D core...which leads to more attempts and a higher completion of low percentage passes to the forwards....which is precisely what the Edmonton Oilers need.

Dubnyk is fine, but this team needs their goaltender to be one of, if not THE, best players. "Dubey" is not that guy.
- JLO961

Makes sense, but I really feel like dubnyk is at least a middle of the road goaltender. the kind of player that is mostly solid and for every blooper there's an amazing save that energizes the team.

If what I bolded is correct, we might as well tear it down and start again. A team with Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Yakupov, Perron, Gagner, and Schultz shouldn't need its goalie to be its best player

Makes sense, but I really feel like dubnyk is at least a middle of the road goaltender. the kind of player that is mostly solid and for every blooper there's an amazing save that energizes the team.

If what I bolded is correct, we might as well tear it down and start again. A team with Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Yakupov, Perron, Gagner, and Schultz shouldn't need its goalie to be its best player
- Morris

In the long run you are correct, but for now I think those guys need confidence in their goalie.

In the long run you are correct, but for now I think those guys need confidence in their goalie.
- JLO961

There's not many goalies who did better than Dubnyk last season. And over the last 3 seasons, Dubnyk has had very respectable numbers. Put him behind a half decent defense, and you'll have a hard-on for the guy.

EDM's SV% was 7th in the league. BUF's SV% was 15th. Before you educated BUF fans say EDM's goaltending sucks, look at the facts. Also Jeff Petry is EDM's #1D. EDM has arguably 4 top 4D, but 0 top 2D.

Only a couple fans trolling are saying Hemsky is worth Miller. Cloutier wrote his blog to avoid BUF fans getting pissy. Well written btw Clouts.

There's not many goalies who did better than Dubnyk last season. And over the last 3 seasons, Dubnyk has had very respectable numbers. Put him behind a half decent defense, and you'll have a hard-on for the guy.
- laughs2907

12th best SV% among starters. I'll take it and run with it.

12th best SV% among starters. I'll take it and run with it.
- TheNugeIsHuge

The issue Dubynk has is getting beat on shot 38, which is usually also shot 16 of the third period, when the Oilers only have a 2-1 lead which leads to everyone going 'ERMAGERD Y HE NO STOP PUX!!"

EDM's SV% was 7th in the league. BUF's SV% was 15th. Before you educated BUF fans say EDM's goaltending sucks, look at the facts. Also Jeff Petry is EDM's #1D. EDM has arguably 4 top 4D, but 0 top 2D.

Only a couple fans trolling are saying Hemsky is worth Miller. Cloutier wrote his blog to avoid BUF fans getting pissy. Well written btw Clouts.
- TheNugeIsHuge

I just can't accept a high save percentage when the winning goal against my team is a floater from the half boards that beats Dubnyk. I think it happens often that a goalie for an offensive team gets "in the zone" with all of those shots against him. A great goaltender is one that has no shots whatsoever for 10minutes and then has the mental toughness to make a clutch save when he is cold. I just don't trust a cold, bored, Dubnyk.

I think that's what we need. Instead of chasing self-made men like Horton or holding out for acquiring Lucic or Backes, they need to pursue lesser players who have great chemistry with the core guys we already have. I was hoping Eager and Jones could have played spot top 6 minutes in a space clearing role, but perhaps Joensuu, Greening if we could get him, maybe even Khaira or (Ryan) Hamilton one day could help us roll three even lines.
- Morris

Hamilton might be a good fit for the 4th line. He had good AHL numbers and he has size and from what I've seen plays pretty physical. Could pass Brown and Eager on the depth chart. Only issue is he's 28 so if he hasn't made the show yet there could be a good reason why. But I like this strategy of trying to find skilled big men with some scoring history and seeing if they can play in the NHL. Usually these type of players take a long time to develop anyways.

I just can't accept a high save percentage when the winning goal against my team is a floater from the half boards that beats Dubnyk. I think it happens often that a goalie for an offensive team gets "in the zone" with all of those shots against him. A great goaltender is one that has no shots whatsoever for 10minutes and then has the mental toughness to make a clutch save when he is cold. I just don't trust a cold, bored, Dubnyk.
- JLO961

Dubnyk makes tons of clutch saves though. As much as any other goalie in the same range as him does.

EDM's SV% was 7th in the league. BUF's SV% was 15th. Before you educated BUF fans say EDM's goaltending sucks, look at the facts. Also Jeff Petry is EDM's #1D. EDM has arguably 4 top 4D, but 0 top 2D.

Only a couple fans trolling are saying Hemsky is worth Miller. Cloutier wrote his blog to avoid BUF fans getting pissy. Well written btw Clouts.
- TheNugeIsHuge

Nurse and Dumba are paired together at the Jrs camp. That is a kick ass pairing

Dubnyk makes tons of clutch saves though. As much as any other goalie in the same range as him does.
- Jack-artist

Yup, indeed. Every goalie let's in a crappy goal here or there. A lot of the crappy ones Dubnyk has let in have been weird deflections/bounces... Bottom line is that he has had very good numbers over the last 3 seasons, and he's getting better... Oh, and that he has played behind a weak defense each year. He regularly makes saves that probably should be goals too... Dubnyk is the Rodney Dangerfield of the Oilers.

Yup, indeed. Every goalie let's in a crappy goal here or there. A lot of the crappy ones Dubnyk has let in have been weird deflections/bounces... Bottom line is that he has had very good numbers over the last 3 seasons, and he's getting better... Oh, and that he has played behind a weak defense each year. He regularly makes saves that probably should be goals too... Dubnyk is the Rodney Dangerfield of the Oilers.
- laughs2907

Unless we get Quick, Rinne, Rask or Lundqvist, I really believe we're just swapping a question mark for another greater or lesser question mark.

Qualitatively, there are few goalies about which I'd say we don't need to worry at all about goaltending.

Yup, indeed. Every goalie let's in a crappy goal here or there. A lot of the crappy ones Dubnyk has let in have been weird deflections/bounces... Bottom line is that he has had very good numbers over the last 3 seasons, and he's getting better... Oh, and that he has played behind a weak defense each year. He regularly makes saves that probably should be goals too... Dubnyk is the Rodney Dangerfield of the Oilers.
- laughs2907

He gets no respect?

3 game set in seattle against the jays!

I plan on consuming dangerous amounts of alcohol, possibly getting kicked out of safeco and thus 'murica. Which should be a solid catalyst for the jays to go on a 20 game win streak.


Go jays

Yup, indeed. Every goalie let's in a crappy goal here or there. A lot of the crappy ones Dubnyk has let in have been weird deflections/bounces... Bottom line is that he has had very good numbers over the last 3 seasons, and he's getting better... Oh, and that he has played behind a weak defense each year. He regularly makes saves that probably should be goals too... Dubnyk is the Rodney Dangerfield of the Oilers.
- laughs2907

Sooooo is the gyst of this thread Sabres fans overvaluing miller and saying dubnyk and hemsky both suck and that miller is gonna rise again like the second coming of Robert Downey Jr.'s career?

Sooooo is the gyst of this thread Sabres fans overvaluing miller and saying dubnyk and hemsky both suck and that miller is gonna rise again like the second coming of Robert Downey Jr.'s career?
- ruttager17

You've about summed it up...

Even though we had a younger goalie with better numbers and half the salary, added to having much greater needs in other areas, we should trade valuable assets for miller

Even though we had a younger goalie with better numbers and half the salary, added to having much greater needs in other areas, we should trade valuable assets for miller
- hugefemale dog77

You seem to forget that Miller faced 0.7 more shots per game last year than Dubey. Thats gotta be worth the difference in salary for sure.