I liked Biron, but his lasting impression in my mind was the Pittsburgh game in 2009. They came back from (I believe) either 4-2 or 5-3 down int he third and tied it. Then there was that dump where Biron came out to the blue line and jumped on it...then he let it go to a Pittsburgh player who gave it to Crosby and an easy empty netter and Pittsburgh won. The next day was the Carnival and the line for autos/pictures with him was pretty bare.
- jmatchett383

I was working in Avalon that day. When that happened, the guy whose house I was in cursed and threw his beer...hitting his nice big HDTV and causing grievous damage to it...I sort of left after that, as he wasn't in a talking mood

I was working in Avalon that day. When that happened, the guy whose house I was in cursed and threw his beer...hitting his nice big HDTV and causing grievous damage to it...I sort of left after that, as he wasn't in a talking mood
- Jsaquella

I re-set the poll so people can vote for Bobrovsky if they so desire.

I counted all vote tallies and percentages from the initial vote, but feel free to re-vote if you want to, because the percentages are what counts. If Bob were to come out ahead of leader Cechmanek in the re-vote, he'd win.

I liked Biron, but his lasting impression in my mind was the Pittsburgh game in 2009. They came back from (I believe) either 4-2 or 5-3 down int he third and tied it. Then there was that dump where Biron came out to the blue line and jumped on it...then he let it go to a Pittsburgh player who gave it to Crosby and an easy empty netter and Pittsburgh won. The next day was the Carnival and the line for autos/pictures with him was pretty bare.
- jmatchett383

I was at that game with some college friends from Pittsburgh.

I was not amused.

I re-set the poll so people can vote for Bobrovsky if they so desire.

I counted all vote tallies and percentages from the initial vote, but feel free to re-vote if you want to, because the percentages are what counts. If Bob were to come out ahead of leader Cechmanek in the re-vote, he'd win.
- bmeltzer

Once again, Bobrovsky's being mishandled here in Philadelphia

- BulliesPhan87

He was sitting there like Private Joker after Private Pyle killed Sgt Hartmann in the head in Full Metal Jacket.

I really thought he was going to cry...had to bag it

Once again, Bobrovsky's being mishandled here in Philadelphia
- BulliesPhan87

Once again, Bobrovsky's being mishandled here in Philadelphia
- BulliesPhan87

To me it's a no-brainer to pick Cechmanek. Two Bobby Clarke Trophies and a Vezina finalist season did it. He had consistency issues in the playoffs but was mostly the victim of a lack of goal support. There were only three playoff starts of his that were truly horrendous, but two of them were in elimination games.

Once again, Bobrovsky's being mishandled here in Philadelphia
- BulliesPhan87

And the pollie carousel continues.

To me it's a no-brainer to pick Cechmanek. Two Bobby Clarke Trophies and a Vezina finalist season did it. He had consistency issues in the playoffs but was mostly the victim of a lack of goal support. There were only three playoff starts of his that were truly horrendous, but two of them were in elimination games.
- bmeltzer

What he managed to do in just 3 seasons in Philly was nothing short of remarkable. The Flyers all-time stats are hard to discount: 1st in GAA and SV%, #2 in SO (20), #4 in Wins (92)... all that and he never started more than 60-games in any one season.

Cecho is like the anti-Primeau... steady, solid track-record of production and success and all anybody will remember about him is his emotional implosion in the PO's. Primeau underachieved badly for most of his Flyers career, yet one PO run was enough to effectively raise him to sanctified status.

I liked Biron, but his lasting impression in my mind was the Pittsburgh game in 2009. They came back from (I believe) either 4-2 or 5-3 down int he third and tied it. Then there was that dump where Biron came out to the blue line and jumped on it...then he let it go to a Pittsburgh player who gave it to Crosby and an easy empty netter and Pittsburgh won. The next day was the Carnival and the line for autos/pictures with him was pretty bare.
- jmatchett383

I know the Pens came back from 3 goals. (The infamous Carcillo/Talbot fight game). I've tried to erase that game from my memory.

The problem with Biron was you never knew if he'd make the save no matter how easy or how difficult it was. When he was locked in, he was really locked in, but when he was struggling he really struggled. Lack of consistency doomed him, but he played very well during the surprising playoff run of '07-08

To me it's a no-brainer to pick Cechmanek. Two Bobby Clarke Trophies and a Vezina finalist season did it. He had consistency issues in the playoffs but was mostly the victim of a lack of goal support. There were only three playoff starts of his that were truly horrendous, but two of them were in elimination games.
- bmeltzer

What were the circumstances around trading Cechmanek away?

Was it simply locker room stuff?

After all, they only got a 2nd round pick back for him.

What he managed to do in just 3 seasons in Philly was nothing short of remarkable. The Flyers all-time stats are hard to discount: 1st in GAA and SV%, #2 in SO (20), #4 in Wins (92)... all that and he never started more than 60-games in any one season.

Cecho is like the anti-Primeau... steady, solid track-record of production and success and all anybody will remember about him is his emotional implosion in the PO's. Primeau underachieved badly for most of his Flyers career, yet one PO run was enough to effectively raise him to sanctified status.
- Tomahawk

Never let facts get in the way of a good story!

What were the circumstances around trading Cechmanek away?

Was it simply locker room stuff?

After all, they only got a 2nd round pick back for him.
- johndewar

Infamous skating to center ice and berating his teammates during the Ottawa series incident... leading to the team shooting at his head during practice the next day.

He asked to be traded before the next season, and Clarkie was more than glad to accommodate his request.

What he managed to do in just 3 seasons in Philly was nothing short of remarkable. The Flyers all-time stats are hard to discount: 1st in GAA and SV%, #2 in SO (20), #4 in Wins (92)... all that and he never started more than 60-games in any one season.

Cecho is like the anti-Primeau... steady, solid track-record of production and success and all anybody will remember about him is his emotional implosion in the PO's. Primeau underachieved badly for most of his Flyers career, yet one PO run was enough to effectively raise him to sanctified status.
- Tomahawk

I wouldn't go so far as to call Cechmanek "steady".

He was traded away for a 2nd round draft pick because he was inconsistent at the worst times.

You can't take away what the guy did here, but let's not get carried away.

What he managed to do in just 3 seasons in Philly was nothing short of remarkable. The Flyers all-time stats are hard to discount: 1st in GAA and SV%, #2 in SO (20), #4 in Wins (92)... all that and he never started more than 60-games in any one season.

Cecho is like the anti-Primeau... steady, solid track-record of production and success and all anybody will remember about him is his emotional implosion in the PO's. Primeau underachieved badly for most of his Flyers career, yet one PO run was enough to effectively raise him to sanctified status.
- Tomahawk

Extremely well said. It's pretty amazing how that works.

I'm going to Mr. Potato Head these goalies..

Ice Vision
Glove Hand
Blocker
Postioning
Reflexes
Horizontal Speed
Size
Puck Control
Attitude

Ice Vision: Sean Burke
Glove Hand: Roman Cechmanek
Blocker: Roman Cechmanek
Postioning: Ilya Bryzgalov
Reflexes: Bobrovsky
Horizontal Speed: Bobrovsky
Size: Sean Burke
Puck Control: Steve Mason
Attitude: Antero Niitimaki

I wouldn't go so far as to call Cechmanek "steady".

He was traded away for a 2nd round draft pick because he was inconsistent at the worst times.

You can't take away what the guy did here, but let's not get carried away.
- johndewar

He'd have his off moments/games like any goaltender, but he was more often a difference-maker in net than not, and you really can't say that about any of the other Flyers goalies of the 2000's. Niitty had some moments, and Bob did early on as well, but for three straight seasons, Cecho was consistently great.

What do I know, I voted for Esche.
- Jsaquella

He would have been my second pick.

What were the circumstances around trading Cechmanek away?
- johndewar

A bunch of babies couldn't handle the truth, so it was easier to ship him out than deal with the real issues.

He'd have his off moments/games like any goaltender, but he was more often a difference-maker in net than not, and you really can't say that about any of the other Flyers goalies of the 2000's. Niitty had some moments, and Bob did early on as well, but for three straight seasons, Cecho was consistently great.
- Tomahawk

What I remember most about Cechmanek was that the team couldn't buy a goal in the playoffs during his stint. Other than that he gave them a chance to win. But like was said, when you score 2 goals in a 5 game series, I don't care how "backbreaking" any of the goals he let up were.

There are high expectations, and then there are inhuman expectations.

A bunch of babies couldn't handle the truth, so it was easier to ship him out than deal with the real issues.
- Scoob

Well said.

To me it's a no-brainer to pick Cechmanek. Two Bobby Clarke Trophies and a Vezina finalist season did it. He had consistency issues in the playoffs but was mostly the victim of a lack of goal support. There were only three playoff starts of his that were truly horrendous, but two of them were in elimination games.
- bmeltzer

I still love when Chechmanek called out the team during the playoffs. He wasn't wrong in doing so. Unfortunately the forwards and defense who set a modern day futility playoff record for offense were not amused and it was easier to get rid of 1 guy than to deal with pissing off the guys who were the real problem.