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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 6 @ 9:34 PM ET
I've always defended the Flyers' amateur scouts, and their 1st-round track-record is exemplary... but is anybody else disturbed by the lack of sophistication in the process?

First off, writing a bunch of names on big pieces of paper in marker? What is this, 1981? You're telling me nobody in the room knows how to use a laptop, projector and a spreadsheet program? There are home-brewed fantasy leagues that have more advanced pre-draft tool-kits than this.

No comprehensive numerical scoring system? No internal metrics being discussed at all? Week of the draft and they're refining their rankings based on who they think will "hit a guy with his stick" and general musings about who might have more "upside"?

Wow.

And, boy, do they love Mirco Mueller. I guess one Swiss dman just isn't enough.

- Tomahawk


I didn't go into it expecting them to pull the curtain back that far, anyhow. I doubt that Morin was ahead of other because he's more likely to hit a guy with his stick
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Aug 6 @ 9:43 PM ET
I didn't go into it expecting them to pull the curtain back that far, anyhow. I doubt that Morin was ahead of other because he's more likely to hit a guy with his stick
- Jsaquella


That's certainly putting a negative spin on it. It's not like the meeting lasted only the 10 minutes of the webisode. There was obviously more to it and what was showed was just a small glimpse and I don't know why anyone would expect this org. to fully divulge the process.

I was however surprised at the consensus of the group being that Morin had the most upside. Regardless if they felt that he would reach it.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 6 @ 9:47 PM ET
That's certainly putting a negative spin on it. It's not like the meeting lasted only the 10 minutes of the webisode. There was obviously more too it and what was showed was just a small glimpse and I don't know why anyone would expect this org. to fully divulge the process.

I was however surprised at the consensus of the group being that Morin had the most upside. Regardless if they felt that he would reach it.

- GirouxForTheShow


Exactly. I'm sure they pored over these guys with a fine toothed comb and just gave a taste for the webisode.

I found it interesting that they were so high on Mueller. He doesn't scream typical Flyer, and San Jose, who is huge on analytical research was very high on him, in fact they traded up to land him.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Aug 6 @ 9:52 PM ET
I'm fairly excited for next year.

Losing Briere was a definite and replacing him with Lecavalier is huge. Dropping Bryz, and signing Emery at a fraction of the cost and being able to sign Streit with the savings (albeit at a steep price) definitely is a plus. Streit costs a lot but that's the nature of FA especially in dealing with defenseman. He is definitely a need.

- GirouxForTheShow

On top of the leadership he brings, both him and Gus will hopefully skyrocket our ES numbers using their help with the transition game. His numbers at ES last year were really good (14th in points among all defenseman at ES), and from looking at this picture from our friends at broadstreethockey.com (orange circles are assists, green circles are goals)
you can see that 53% of his even strength assists came from either the defensive zone or the neutral zone, which is sort of just further evidence that he really helps the transition game. If we get our ES numbers up, continue our powerplay success, see Vinny's production go up as a result of having constant line-mates (which it should), and see BSchenn and Coots grow their offensive games (as they should), we have the potential to be an offensively dominant team
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Aug 6 @ 9:58 PM ET
Lava flows...

Laviolette may not be seen in the same light as when he was hired, even by me (and he was my candidate to replace John Stevens in the autumn of 2009), but he has accomplished more than the other coaches on the list. Of course, this is an opinion poll so no answer would be wrong unless one of the coaches coached the team to a dreadful season, missing the playoffs. Oh. Well, Lava only messed up a half-season that the NHL & NHLPA Seravallied up. I guess they should get more blame than anyone, especially since the lockout will not have fixed anything by the time the new CBA expires.

- Flyskippy

As a flyer coach he most certainly did accomplish more and so earned my vote as well, despite my feeling with the present moment.
GirouxForTheShow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Fuck you raff
Joined: 01.04.2009

Aug 6 @ 9:58 PM ET
Anyone notice Pronger wasn't wearing shoes during the webisode?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 6 @ 10:17 PM ET
On top of the leadership he brings, both him and Gus will hopefully skyrocket our ES numbers using their help with the transition game. His numbers at ES last year were really good (14th in points among all defenseman at ES), and from looking at this picture from our friends at broadstreethockey.com (orange circles are assists, green circles are goals)
you can see that 53% of his even strength assists came from either the defensive zone or the neutral zone, which is sort of just further evidence that he really helps the transition game. If we get our ES numbers up, continue our powerplay success, see Vinny's production go up as a result of having constant line-mates (which it should), and see BSchenn and Coots grow their offensive games (as they should), we have the potential to be an offensively dominant team

- JAKEw1234



Streit has had big minus numbers recently. I expect him to be more protected than Gus will against top lines.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 6 @ 10:29 PM ET
http://nhlflye.rs/15LtvZ1
- tangent_man

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Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Aug 6 @ 11:09 PM ET
As a flyer coach he most certainly did accomplish more and so earned my vote as well, despite my feeling with the present moment.
- JoeRussomanno

Go figure, logic in use on HB.

I've made my thoughts known regarding Lavi this past (half-)season. That he might not be the right guy for the job anymore doesn't mean he's not the best man on the poll.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Aug 6 @ 11:27 PM ET
Don't know if leight, but here are some Hagg highlights from the tourney so far. He looks awesome and well rounded. Great defensive plays, good hits, and good point work, too. He's got a very quick release on a hard slap shot, which is a good plus. I liked the part when he was confidently shutting down Yakupov.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxVGQ5G_rwo
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 6 @ 11:51 PM ET
Don't know if leight, but here are some Hagg highlights from the tourney so far. He looks awesome and well rounded. Great defensive plays, good hits, and good point work, too. He's got a very quick release on a hard slap shot, which is a good plus. I liked the part when he was confidently shutting down Yakupov.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxVGQ5G_rwo

- JAKEw1234

this is leight, but worth posting again so ty.

thing that stands out to me is how casual and non-chalant most of his movements seem to be. not in a bad way though - moreso that he seems confident with the puck and where he's going with it.

both he and Morin impress me in that way.. that ability to not get rattled while making the smart, simple play
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Aug 7 @ 12:06 AM ET
this is leight, but worth posting again so ty.

thing that stands out to me is how casual and non-chalant most of his movements seem to be. not in a bad way though - moreso that he seems confident with the puck and where he's going with it.

both he and Morin impress me in that way.. that ability to not get rattled while making the smart, simple play

- Crimsoninja

So what are your thoughts on #FlightPlan?
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 7 @ 12:15 AM ET
So what are your thoughts on #FlightPlan?
- aightwebang17

Will be watching soon.


But i can say for sure FP >>>> 24CH
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Aug 7 @ 12:56 AM ET
So what are your thoughts on #FlightPlan?
- aightwebang17

I find it odd that they blurred the prospect list. I mean they included the parts where Pryor was flat out stating "we have Morin 6th, Mueller 7th, Zadorov 10th" etc, but still blurred all that out for some reason. Seemed pointless.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 7 @ 1:01 AM ET
I find it odd that they blurred the prospect list. I mean they included the parts where Pryor was flat out stating "we have Morin 6th, Mueller 7th, Zadorov 10th" etc, but still blurred all that out for some reason. Seemed pointless.
- JAKEw1234



JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Aug 7 @ 3:05 AM ET

- Crimsoninja

They moved him up
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 7 @ 8:45 AM ET
this is leight, but worth posting again so ty.

thing that stands out to me is how casual and non-chalant most of his movements seem to be. not in a bad way though - moreso that he seems confident with the puck and where he's going with it.

both he and Morin impress me in that way.. that ability to not get rattled while making the smart, simple play

- Crimsoninja


Of course he looks poised and confident with the puck; he's Swedish.
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