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Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Aug 6 @ 2:33 PM ET
Homer did well the first 2 years. Been regressing since than. If Streit doesn't die or lose a leg it will be a good off-season. However, we all know Streit will suffer a career ending arm injury which will force the medical staff to operate on him before paramedics get there... in which case i'm 100% confident he dies.

God I hate our staff.

- Flyersgod

Your tears put the "mist" in pessimist.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Aug 6 @ 2:34 PM ET
Your tears put the "mist" in pessimist.
- Flyskippy

You wily old cout
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 6 @ 2:38 PM ET
They changed the dzone scheme to collapse like the Rangers/Devils at the start of the year... Homer and Snider shoved that down his throat, probably. Players, by their own admission, had trouble catching on, and a lot of the mess we saw with coverages could partly be attributed to that. Bryz was complaining about the change too... according to him, so many defenders collapsing in front of him he couldn't see the puck... heh.
- Tomahawk


The change the Flyers made in the defensive zone was in the coverage with the puck below the net. I seriously doubt that Holmgren and Snider had anything to do with that. It was really a basic change.
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Aug 6 @ 2:40 PM ET
Edmonton is a tough place to work, insofar as, it's tough to get free agents to go there.

But yes, their young talent is pretty damned good.

As for being a GM, there is part of me that thinks "wouldn't it be great to be the GM of the Canadiens when they win their next cup?".......

....And then I sober up and realize that that would be an awful existence (pressure, the press, etc.) in Montreal if you don't win a Cup.

- johndewar



MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 6 @ 2:41 PM ET
To be fair, though, he inherited a hell of a mess from OK Hockey, LLC.

Ironically, two of his better moves involved the Flyers... dumping Mez and Matt Walker's contracts off on Homer.

- Tomahawk



Actually, I'd give the nod to Holmgren on the Meszaros deal. Obtaining a quality defenseman for a 2nd round pick. That was an absolute steal.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Aug 6 @ 2:41 PM ET
Your tears put the "mist" in pessimist.
- Flyskippy


Well thank you sir. I hope its pessimism that affects my opinion of Schenn and Couts. Can't stand either of them. I'm counting down the days until Homer trades them. I can live with keeping Couts, but Schenn's got to go!
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Aug 6 @ 2:42 PM ET
Actually, I'd give the nod to Holmgren on the Meszaros deal. Obtaining a quality defenseman for a 2nd round pick. That was an absolute steal.
- MJL


If his salary was lower i'd agree.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 6 @ 2:44 PM ET
If his salary was lower i'd agree.
- Flyersgod



An AAV of 4M for a top 4 defenseman is cheap.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 6 @ 2:44 PM ET
Actually, I'd give the nod to Holmgren on the Meszaros deal. Obtaining a quality defenseman for a 2nd round pick. That was an absolute steal.
- MJL


The lightning were using Mez and O'donnell as a top pairing.

I'd give the nod to Homer in that move, but the salary played a big part in getting rid of him.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Aug 6 @ 2:45 PM ET
If his salary was lower i'd agree.
- Flyersgod

Didnt you say in that Karash blog you were no longer a fan?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 6 @ 2:45 PM ET
Well thank you sir. I hope its pessimism that affects my opinion of Schenn and Couts. Can't stand either of them. I'm counting down the days until Homer trades them. I can live with keeping Couts, but Schenn's got to go!
- Flyersgod



Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Aug 6 @ 2:45 PM ET
An AAV of 4M for a top 4 defenseman is cheap.
- MJL


4M for a #1 dman is cheap.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Aug 6 @ 2:46 PM ET
Didnt you say in that Karash blog you were no longer a fan?
- jak521


A fan of what?
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Aug 6 @ 2:47 PM ET
The lightning were using Mez and O'donnell as a top pairing.

I'd give the nod to Homer in that move, but the salary played a big part in getting rid of him.

- PhillySportsGuy


I like the trade. I like Mez. However, I wouldn't call it a steal of a trade. 4m is a large price tag.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Aug 6 @ 2:48 PM ET
Mez, Schenn, and Couts

For

Weber
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Aug 6 @ 2:50 PM ET
Didnt you say in that Karash blog you were no longer a fan?
- jak521

Do his posts here suggest otherwise?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 6 @ 2:50 PM ET
The lightning were using Mez and O'donnell as a top pairing.

I'd give the nod to Homer in that move, but the salary played a big part in getting rid of him.

- PhillySportsGuy


Meszaros' salary is about average for a top 4 defenseman. The deal, in and of itself, was fine. If Meszaros could have stayed healthy the past two years, it would be a very good deal for the Flyers...the main reason Meszaros is on the fringe is because it's hard to rely on a guy with the amount of injuries he's sustained the last 18-24 months.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 6 @ 2:51 PM ET
Mez, Schenn, and Couts

For

Weber

- Flyersgod


You can do MUCH BETTER in NHL13 (especially if you use the default rosters: Kubina' trade value is amazing).
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Aug 6 @ 2:53 PM ET
You can do MUCH BETTER in NHL13 (especially if you use the default rosters: Kubina' trade value is amazing).
- jmatchett383


Can't trade for players who teams aren't interested in giving away. I tried doing Giroux, Schenn, and 2 1st's and the GM told me I was way short on value.

Had to go to roster management and force the trades before I started my GM mode. Stupid Jerks.

BTW, Stalberg is awesome to have in NHL13.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Aug 6 @ 2:53 PM ET
Do his posts here suggest otherwise?
- BulliesPhan87


I bleed Orange & Black sir. More than you.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 6 @ 2:54 PM ET

- hockeylover


Mike Keane would like to know where you purchased this book.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Aug 6 @ 2:54 PM ET
Do his posts here suggest otherwise?
- BulliesPhan87

I'm trying to remember when he jumped the shark. Thought he was level-headed prior to today.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Aug 6 @ 2:54 PM ET
Meszaros' salary is about average for a top 4 defenseman. The deal, in and of itself, was fine. If Meszaros could have stayed healthy the past two years, it would be a very good deal for the Flyers...the main reason Meszaros is on the fringe is because it's hard to rely on a guy with the amount of injuries he's sustained the last 18-24 months.
- Jsaquella


It was a good deal for the Flyers. No complaints on the deal. Mez can still have an impact as long as he stays healthy.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Aug 6 @ 2:56 PM ET
I'm trying to remember when he jumped the shark. Thought he was level-headed prior to today.
- Flyskippy


Was my critique of the coaching staff to off the handle? Its been a crazzzzzyyyyyy day. Too much caffeine most likely.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 6 @ 2:56 PM ET
Meszaros' salary is about average for a top 4 defenseman. The deal, in and of itself, was fine. If Meszaros could have stayed healthy the past two years, it would be a very good deal for the Flyers...the main reason Meszaros is on the fringe is because it's hard to rely on a guy with the amount of injuries he's sustained the last 18-24 months.
- Jsaquella


At the time, $4M was a hefty price tag for a guy that wasn't a guaranteed top 4 dman. Plus, he was the Flyers 5th dman for a while. $4M seems like a lot for a 5th dman.

It was still a good move at the time. I just don't know if it was a slam dunk on Homer's side. Part of the reason he came for a 2nd was because of the length and amount left on his deal. You assume risk when you take that kind of money on. Mez contract has become a bit of a problem this offseason.
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