He wasn't good in the playoffs but he was still a much better player than Kapanen.
- PhillySportsGuy

Sami gets the nod, for me, because he was a guy who went all-out every shift. He was a small guy who played like he was 6'5, 220 lb. I'm not saying Carter was lazy, but he didn't play balls-to-the-wall like Sami did. I'll take his heart over Carter's skill.

He wasn't good in the playoffs but he was still a much better player than Kapanen.
- PhillySportsGuy

If you transplanted Kapanen's heart into Carter's body, you'd have a dominant hockey player instead of a good, complimentary hockey player.

/studied "Backhanded Compliments" in college

Sami gets the nod, for me, because he was a guy who went all-out every shift. He was a small guy who played like he was 6'5, 220 lb. I'm not saying Carter was lazy, but he didn't play balls-to-the-wall like Sami did. I'll take his heart over Carter's skill.
- jmatchett383

So you think Sami Kapanen is one of the 12 best forwards the Flyers have had since 2000?

I'm sorry but I'll take Carter's skill over Kapanen's heart. Everyone always acts like Carter is Nik Zherdev. The guy played through numerous playoff injuries and always committed himself to good two-way hockey. There isn't one GM who would take Kapanen over Carter while they were both in their primes.

tired of all of the top lists.....i just want damn hockey to start already!

So you think Sami Kapanen is one of the 12 best forwards the Flyers have had since 2000?

I'm sorry but I'll take Carter's skill over Kapanen's heart. Everyone always acts like Carter is Nik Zherdev. The guy played through numerous playoff injuries and always committed himself to good two-way hockey. There isn't one GM who would take Kapanen over Carter while they were both in their primes.
- PhillySportsGuy

For the record, I picked Forsberg, Carter, and Sami.

I passed on one of my favorites in JR.

tired of all of the top lists.....i just want damn hockey to start already!
- PhillaBully

We are only like 50 days away

So you think Sami Kapanen is one of the 12 best forwards the Flyers have had since 2000?

I'm sorry but I'll take Carter's skill over Kapanen's heart. Everyone always acts like Carter is Nik Zherdev. The guy played through numerous playoff injuries and always committed himself to good two-way hockey. There isn't one GM who would take Kapanen over Carter while they were both in their primes.
- PhillySportsGuy

If you're just going skill alone, I guess Carter would be a better pick.

Thankfully, skill alone doesn't win games.

Carter had 21 points in 47 playoff games.
Kapanen had 27 points in 52 games.

Carter can score goals. But if i'm filling out the 4th line with players can play a role, i'm not picking Carter over Kapanen.

Kapanen also was a 2 time all star and 2 time fastest skater in the NHL.

Carter was an all-star once.

Obviously being an all-star doesn't mean all that much anymore since fan voting is a little absurd when you can vote multiple times like a democrat.

I don't think picking Carter would be wrong. Just not whom i'd pick.

We are only like 50 days away
- jak521

Man that feels like a really long time... depressing... thanks a lot man...

If you transplanted Kapanen's heart into Carter's body, you'd have a dominant hockey player instead of a good, complimentary hockey player.

/studied "Backhanded Compliments" in college
- johndewar

I just dont understand why people hate Carter so much. He didn't do anything on the ice to make me think he didn't try his best. Sure he wasn't physical, and didn't lay down in front of shots, but that just wasn't his style. Gretzky didn't do that either. Neither did John LeClair. Carter was more of a finese player, and if he was just a few inches shorter, people wouldn't have any problem with the way he played.

I just dont understand why people hate Carter so much. He didn't do anything on the ice to make me think he didn't try his best. Sure he wasn't physical, and didn't lay down in front of shots, but that just wasn't his style. Gretzky didn't do that either. Neither did John LeClair. Carter was more of a finese player, and if he was just a few inches shorter, people wouldn't have any problem with the way he played.
- youarewrong

Im a big fan of Carter... thats where my problem lies. I feel as though he can be, and is at times, a more complete player. The way he played this season/playoffs is exactly the type of player he should all the time.

I just dont understand why people hate Carter so much. He didn't do anything on the ice to make me think he didn't try his best. Sure he wasn't physical, and didn't lay down in front of shots, but that just wasn't his style. Gretzky didn't do that either. Neither did John LeClair. Carter was more of a finese player, and if he was just a few inches shorter, people wouldn't have any problem with the way he played.
- youarewrong

He wasn't born to be a Flyer. He didn't play a Flyers game. Don't hate him, just didn't see his importance to the team. I like players that can do more then shoot a wrist shot.

John LeClair was different than Carter. LeClair would hit from time to time and he was unmovable infront of the net.

But I get what you're saying.

Im a big fan of Carter... thats where my problem lies. I feel as though he can be, and is at times, a more complete player. The way he played this season/playoffs is exactly the type of player he should all the time.
- jak521

In 2 seasons with LA he has 26 points in 38 playoff games. He fits in much better there than here.

I just dont understand why people hate Carter so much. He didn't do anything on the ice to make me think he didn't try his best. Sure he wasn't physical, and didn't lay down in front of shots, but that just wasn't his style. Gretzky didn't do that either. Neither did John LeClair. Carter was more of a finese player, and if he was just a few inches shorter, people wouldn't have any problem with the way he played.
- youarewrong

It's not so black and white as "ZOMG!211 CARTER IS TEH SUCK!".

Jeff Carter was a high draft pick and gets the expectations that come with that. He scored a lot of goals and did a lot of good things, but more was expected. It's just that simple.

In 2 seasons with LA he has 26 points in 38 playoff games. He fits in much better there than here.
- Flyersgod

Much easier when you aren't "the man".

Much easier when you aren't "the man".
- johndewar

He was a go to guy here and in LA he's behind a bunch of good players. Better defense there as well. And goalie. Meh whatever...

I'm already sick of talking about Carter.

Trade for Weber now!

John LeClair was different than Carter. LeClair would hit from time to time and he was unmovable infront of the net.
- Flyersgod

I do recall Carter laying a few big hits in his days here... I also recall him handling himself quite nicely in a fight (or two). He wasn't aggressive, but he wasn't soft either. Maybe a bit too laid back, but it didn't stop him from being a very important player for the Flyers for a lot of years. I'm not the biggest Carter fan, personally, but to pick Sami over him is a streeeettttch.

If you're just going skill alone, I guess Carter would be a better pick.

Thankfully, skill alone doesn't win games.

Carter had 21 points in 47 playoff games.
Kapanen had 27 points in 52 games.

Carter can score goals. But if i'm filling out the 4th line with players can play a role, i'm not picking Carter over Kapanen.

Kapanen also was a 2 time all star and 2 time fastest skater in the NHL.

Carter was an all-star once.

Obviously being an all-star doesn't mean all that much anymore since fan voting is a little absurd when you can vote multiple times like a democrat.

I don't think picking Carter would be wrong. Just not whom i'd pick.
- Flyersgod

We're not forming a team. This is a list of the best players from 2000-2001 onward.

Kapanen was never an all star with the Flyers. Carter was.

Kapanen was more important to the flyers than people give him credit for and what the stats could never show you. He was that intangible player that was clutch in many areas and was missed if out of the lineup. When Carter was out of the lineup flyers never skipped a beat.

I do recall Carter laying a few big hits in his days here... I also recall him handling himself quite nicely in a fight (or two). He wasn't aggressive, but he wasn't soft either. Maybe a bit too laid back, but it didn't stop him from being a very important player for the Flyers for a lot of years. I'm not the biggest Carter fan, personally, but to pick Sami over him is a streeeettttch.
- Tomahawk

For fourth line work, i'm taking Kapanen. Speed, heart, and work ethics are perfect for 4th line duty.

If we're talking just skills, Carter is the more talented player.

We're not forming a team. This is a list of the best players from 2000-2001 onward.

Kapanen was never an all star with the Flyers. Carter was.
- PhillySportsGuy

See, now I thought we were forming a team. Are you sure we're not creating a team?

We're picking 6 dmen... 12 forwards... 2 goalies.. feels like an all-decade team...

It's not so black and white as "ZOMG!211 CARTER IS TEH SUCK!".

Jeff Carter was a high draft pick and gets the expectations that come with that. He scored a lot of goals and did a lot of good things, but more was expected. It's just that simple.
- johndewar

He was picked 11th overall. That's high but not JVR high. He was a consistent 35 goal scorer who always finished as a plus player and played the PK.

He underperformed in the playoffs and was never as physical as he could have been.

In hindsight, most teams would be perfectly happy with Carter at 11th in the draft.

It's not so black and white as "ZOMG!211 CARTER IS TEH SUCK!".

Jeff Carter was a high draft pick and gets the expectations that come with that. He scored a lot of goals and did a lot of good things, but more was expected. It's just that simple.
- johndewar

He was an 11th overall pick. He had 23 goals as a rookie then averaged 30 goals a year with a 46 goal season one year. I just think after his rookie year, people's expectations were a little too high. His numbers are very good for an 11th overall pick IMO. Is it his fault the Flyers took him over players like Parise, Getzlaf, Perry and others? Could have been worse, We could have picked Jessiman, Nilsson, or Bernier.

See, now I thought we were forming a team. Are you sure we're not creating a team?

We're picking 6 dmen... 12 forwards... 2 goalies.. feels like an all-decade team...
- Flyersgod

An all decade team isn't a team that will play against another. It's simply taking the best 12 forwards, best 6 defenseman and best goalie.

He was picked 11th overall. That's high but not JVR high. He was a consistent 35 goal scorer who always finished as a plus player and played the PK.

He underperformed in the playoffs and was never as physical as he could have been.

In hindsight, most teams would be perfectly happy with Carter at 11th in the draft.
- PhillySportsGuy[/quote]

Who is arguing they wouldn't?

He was picked 11th overall. That's high but not JVR high. He was a consistent 35 goal scorer who always finished as a plus player and played the PK.

He underperformed in the playoffs and was never as physical as he could have been.

In hindsight, most teams would be perfectly happy with Carter at 11th in the draft.
- PhillySportsGuy

Carter was 11th in what is considered to be possibly the best draft in NHL history.

That 11th means a lot more than an ordinary 11th.

Now with that being said.. I have never sat back and said, WOW, Jeff Carter was picked 11th overall, he is under-performing. I have never said that for ANY player. I simply dont get that rationale