I thought we were talking about right now. Forgive me for assuming a conversation about who's better/in the same class right now was talking about right now. I guess we better park the talk about Tavares' Hart nomination and taking the team to the playoffs right?

Tavares had 4 more goals then Hall last year, in 21 more games played.
- Morris

Lol wtf. Last i checked 28goals was 12 more than 16. But sure we'll go by your numbers. . Not to mention, don't jump into a conversation telling me what its about. It started from "Hall was better than Tavares last season", which is an effing joke LOL.

Tavares is wayyyyyyyyy more physically dominating then Hall. Hall can't stay on his feet. Enjoy his years while you can because he's not going to last long.
- Rysko81

Some post Hall destroying cluterbuck it makes sense since he plays with isles now

Tavares is wayyyyyyyyy more physically dominating then Hall. Hall can't stay on his feet. Enjoy his years while you can because he's not going to last long.
- Rysko81

You just made that up....you said JT was bigger, yet he isn't...

Ok now tell me last years numbers bud, because we're talking about last year. The year where Tavares had 12 more goals and became a superstar.
- Rysko81

wait, I'm confused: do you mean 2012-2013? Those are the wins stats I showed you.

Or are you zeroing in on JUST GOALS, JUST 2012-2013?

See my edit, and my post below.

Hall is bigger and faster then Tavares your point is invalid
- Oilers42

Tavares is just 100x stronger and more physically dominating. Tavares is way harder to contain, Hall is a pee-on that is easily dropped on his asss.

Tavares is just 100x stronger and more physically dominating. Tavares is way harder to contain, Hall is a pee-on that is easily dropped on his asss.
- Rysko81

Lol wtf. Last i checked 28goals was 12 more than 16. But sure we'll go by your numbers. . Not to mention, don't jump into a conversation telling me what its about. It started from "Hall was better than Tavares last season", which is an effing joke LOL.
- Rysko81

I was confused for the following reason: I gave you stats about team wins when both players score, and you replied with a request to use "last year's stats". Having already done that, I thought you wanted me to delve past 2012-2013 to the 2011-2012 season.

Honest mistake. I see now that you want to base your argument on the category of goals scored for the season of 2012-2013 only.

You just made that up....you said JT was bigger, yet he isn't...
- OilHorse

Wtf are you talking about LOL. I don't make up Hall being put on his ass everytime he's touched, and JT needing to be pulled down by 3 guys to take him out of a play. Theres a reason i thought he was bigger, and its because Hall can't stay on his feet, and skates with his head near his knees.

wait, I'm confused: do you mean 2012-2013? Those are the wins stats I showed you.

Or are you zeroing in on JUST GOALS, JUST 2012-2013?

See my edit, and my post below.
- Morris

he is focusing on only what proves his point

I was confused for the following reason: I gave you stats about team wins when both players score, and you replied with a request to use "last year's stats". Having already done that, I thought you wanted me to delve past 2012-2013 to the 2011-2012 season.

Honest mistake. I see now that you want to base your argument on the category of goals scored for the season of 2012-2013 only.
- Morris[/quote

Use your head, man... I am embarrassed for you.

Eberle.
- Rysko81

Eberle is really good, but I don't think that's the case at all. Hall basically has an impact every shift he's on the ice... Eberle has the ability to look like Gretzky for a few shifts, but then he'll be completely ineffective/unnoticeable for the rest of the game... That may have had something to do with his injury though. You never know... We'll see in the future I guess.

I was confused for the following reason: I gave you stats about team wins when both players score, and you replied with a request to use "last year's stats". Having already done that, I thought you wanted me to delve past 2012-2013 to the 2011-2012 season.

Honest mistake. I see now that you want to base your argument on the category of goals scored for the season of 2012-2013 only.
- Morris

JT is more dominant at this point in his career, its really simple to understand that, that is my point. Hall is a good little player, but he's not on Tavares' level yet. Tavares took his game somewhere else last year, he was incredible.

JT: 6'0" 199#
TH: 6'1" 195#

You have have no idea do you?
- OilHorse

I'm not taking sides in your little debate, but honestly only one of the players I've met is actually as tall as they're listed (it's pretty funny when you notice). Hall could be bigger than JT, could not be.

JT is more dominant at this point in his career, its really simple to understand that, that is my point. Hall is a good little player, but he's not on Tavares' level yet. Tavares took his game somewhere else last year, he was incredible.
- Rysko81

That's a fine opinion, but it's not really worth ridiculing people who don't feel as though it's absurd to put Hall in a similar stratus. Really, Hall did put the Oilers on his back. It's nebulous to tout the effect of that considering the Oilers were both a crummy roster and didn't go anywhere last year, but I really do believe Hall was as much an impact to the Oil as Tavares was on Long Island.

We can disagree without insulting each other though, I hope.

Tavares is just 100x stronger and more physically dominating. Tavares is way harder to contain, Hall is a pee-on that is easily dropped on his asss.
- Rysko81

I was confused for the following reason: I gave you stats about team wins when both players score, and you replied with a request to use "last year's stats". Having already done that, I thought you wanted me to delve past 2012-2013 to the 2011-2012 season.

Honest mistake. I see now that you want to base your argument on the category of goals scored for the season of 2012-2013 only.
- Morris

JT is more dominant at this point in his career, its really simple to understand that, that is my point. Hall is a good little player, but he's not on Tavares' level yet. Tavares took his game somewhere else last year, he was incredible.
- Rysko81

Lets all just agree that JT is the second coming of Ryan (frank)ing Miller... and that Hall is destined to live in a box on the corner of Whyte and 118Th...



With Laughs sister...

he is focusing on only what proves his point
- OilHorse

And what is the difference with what i am doing, and what you guys are doing? You guys are focusing on pts, plus, minus, and the fact that i was wrong about height, in your argument, which is "only what proves your point" so why is it wrong for me to do the same? It is of my opinion and SOOOOO many more (who aren't Oilers fans), that Tavares is the more dominant player. He literally needs nobody else on the ice with him, and he has a chance, what brings more light to his situation is what he's learned to be away from the puck. He is so hard to contain in coverage because he uses his teammates and gets open almost better than anybody in the game. He is a top 5 player in the league at this point, Hall isn't.

Wtf are you talking about LOL. I don't make up Hall being put on his ass everytime he's touched, and JT needing to be pulled down by 3 guys to take him out of a play. Theres a reason i thought he was bigger, and its because Hall can't stay on his feet, and skates with his head near his knees.
- Rysko81

lolol...you are a fantasy case...3 guys only can take the IMMACULATE Johnathon Tavares off the puck.

Obviously you do not watch Oiler games...Hall skates like he has a stick in his ass, not with his head by his knees.

Tavares only had 9 more hits in 3 more games.

Hal played with an obviously inferior team. His top center was sick/injured the whole season. His regular LW had a broken hand. The bottom 6 was a debacle. Teh defense was weak.

You just cannot handle that Hall is comparable to JT.

I love Tavares, he's a very slick, a very cerebral and a very skilled player. And he may well be better (by a wide margin) than Hall.

But the name of Hall's game is being a physical guy: north-south skater, drive the net, skate through people presence. It's essentially the most salient thing about his game.

Since we're on the 'ask impartial fans' train as a method of objectivity, I put it to the non-islanders, non-oilers fans: regardless of who's better, who is better characterized for being physically dominating: Hall or Tavares?

I'm not taking sides in your little debate, but honestly only one of the players I've met is actually as tall as they're listed (it's pretty funny when you notice). Hall could be bigger than JT, could not be.
- BetterCallSaul

yeah I get what you are saying...but that is straight off the NHL site. If you are going to base height/weight/size measurements off something then that is as official as you can get. All told it seems as though Hall and JT are comparable in every category.

And what is the difference with what i am doing, and what you guys are doing? You guys are focusing on pts, plus, minus, and the fact that i was wrong about height, in your argument, which is "only what proves your point" so why is it wrong for me to do the same? It is of my opinion and SOOOOO many more (who aren't Oilers fans), that Tavares is the more dominant player. He literally needs nobody else on the ice with him, and he has a chance, what brings more light to his situation is what he's learned to be away from the puck. He is so hard to contain in coverage because he uses his teammates and gets open almost better than anybody in the game. He is a top 5 player in the league at this point, Hall isn't.
- Rysko81

All we are saying is that Hall is comparable...you are indignant when it is mentioned.

lolol...you are a fantasy case...3 guys only can take the IMMACULATE Johnathon Tavares off the puck.

Obviously you do not watch Oiler games...Hall skates like he has a stick in his ass, not with his head by his knees.

Tavares only had 9 more hits in 3 more games.

Hal played with an obviously inferior team. His top center was sick/injured the whole season. His regular LW had a broken hand. The bottom 6 was a debacle. Teh defense was weak.

You just cannot handle that Hall is comparable to JT.
- OilHorse

Man, i really could care less if he was. I like the Oilers more than i like the Islanders, I'm from Canada, and the Islanders are in the Eastern conference. I live in BC and watched the Oilers WHOOP the Canucks last year with a quick 4-0 start, i've seen the Oilers at the best, and i've seen them at their worst, but all in all they're a steadily improving team. THAT SAID, I've also seen Tavares single handedly lift his team. There is a confidence, and heir to his game that cannot be denied. There is a serious maturity he'd undergone last season, that IMO Hall hasn't gone through yet. We'll see this upcoming season, but at this point i have Tavares wayyyyy ahead.

lolol...you are a fantasy case...3 guys only can take the IMMACULATE Johnathon Tavares off the puck.

Obviously you do not watch Oiler games...Hall skates like he has a stick in his ass, not with his head by his knees.

Tavares only had 9 more hits in 3 more games.

Hal played with an obviously inferior team. His top center was sick/injured the whole season. His regular LW had a broken hand. The bottom 6 was a debacle. Teh defense was weak.

You just cannot handle that Hall is comparable to JT.
- OilHorse

I think that was an understatement.

If Tavares is 100x as strong as Hall, then if follows that either Hall is 33x as weak as any other NHLer, or it likely takes at least 300 players to get Tavares off the puck.

I love Tavares, he's a very slick, a very cerebral and a very skilled player. And he may well be better (by a wide margin) than Hall.

But the name of Hall's game is being a physical guy: north-south skater, drive the net, skate through people presence. It's essentially the most salient thing about his game.

Since we're on the 'ask impartial fans' train as a method of objectivity, I put it to the non-islanders, non-oilers fans: regardless of who's better, who is better characterized for being physically dominating: Hall or Tavares?
- Morris

Well...you know my vote. LOL. ;P