Of course I watched him. I actually have been cheering for the Oilers alot the past few years. both teams have been pretty much in the same boat for the most part. Im just saying, posting stats doesnt account for everything, and thats all you oiler fans have been doing, as is theres some huge difference between the two.
- Dedshark

sniff, sniff

I smell

BULLpoop...

if you have watched Oiler games of the frequency you try and claim then you know that Hall carries his team.

Hall took a skate to the face and still wanted to play...shows his competitive drive

Hall popped his shoulder in a game vs the Avs and still played for a portion of the period, setting up or actually scoring if I am correct, before he left the game.

After a bad loss he blew up on the team on the ice showing he was sick of losing.

I don't need stats. Hall is a leader and is what drives the Oilers. Stats just make the point I am proving more concrete.

Hall year 1: .64ppg
Hall year 2: .86ppg
Hall year 3: 1.11ppg
Hall year 4: ???

JT year 1: .65ppg
JT year 2: .84ppg
JT year 3: .98ppg
JT year 4: .98ppg

Looks like Tavares may not be on Halls' level.

JT is fantastic, and I'd love him on my team, but Hall is right up there with him, if not better
- FinAddict

Awfully tough to compare two totally different type players player in different conferences with different levels of talent around them. For my money, I'll take Tavares as the better overall player. I think Hall is awesome, but Tavares is one of those guys who sees the ice like only a couple of other players in this generation can. To me, it's like comparing Jagr to Bure. While Bure would put up more goals and be dynamic due his speed, Jagr's passing ability, stickhandling and strength on the puck made him the better overall player.

That said, I'd prefer to wait until we see these guys hit 30 before judging who the better player is. I've seen a fair amount of Hall and obviously lots of Tavares, and right now I wouldn't trade JT for TH.

Xxkeaner17xX

also keep in mind that Hall is playing with a wealth of offensive talent on his team with guys like Yakupov, Gagner, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, etc...
That tends to take the pressure off a guy. JT has Matt Moulson, who is merely a product of JT. After that, ......yeah.


Xxkeaner17xX

I'm just saying that's it's silly for people to say that Hall isn't in the same class/league as Tavares.

Good post again btw...

P.S. I really like the look of your team... I think they're going to do some damage in the near future. Leaf fans are in store for some exciting hockey, and lord knows, they deserve it!
- laughs2907

I'm 100% on board with what mykotes is saying. Hard to compare, but both are in the same class. I give the edge to Tavares as I think he is a better two way player, and I find an elite center more valuable than an elite winger. Hall might have had a better ppg through his career thus far, but durability is a positive attribute, and Tavares' shouldnt be overlooked. I love hall though and think he has a great future. Also, if you count Ovi now has a RW, Hall is probably the best LW in the game.

For the bolded part... We're supposed to be a lottery pick this year. Due to poor possession
Damn it I hate these things called "wins" If only we had better possession stats.

Neither team would trade one for the other.

Neither team would trade one for the other.
- robin_steele264

Yes the Oiler's would... and have to add a first rounder to even it out!!!

Hall and a 1st for Tavares!!!

sniff, sniff

I smell

BULLpoop...

if you have watched Oiler games of the frequency you try and claim then you know that Hall carries his team.

Hall took a skate to the face and still wanted to play...shows his competitive drive

Hall popped his shoulder in a game vs the Avs and still played for a portion of the period, setting up or actually scoring if I am correct, before he left the game.

After a bad loss he blew up on the team on the ice showing he was sick of losing.



I don't need stats. Hall is a leader and is what drives the Oilers. Stats just make the point I am proving more concrete.
- OilHorse

Holy God it's like arguing with 12 year olds. OKAY YOU CAUGHT ME! I didn't watch all 48 Oilers games last year. But yes, with center ice I'd throw on the oilers games every now and then if it was a west coast game, or if the isles weren't playing, with the sole intention of watching those kids play.

Yes the Oiler's would... and have to add a first rounder to even it out!!!

Hall and a 1st for Tavares!!!
- jimmc7722

Tee heeheehee!!

sniff, sniff

I smell

BULLpoop...

if you have watched Oiler games of the frequency you try and claim then you know that Hall carries his team.

Hall took a skate to the face and still wanted to play...shows his competitive drive

Hall popped his shoulder in a game vs the Avs and still played for a portion of the period, setting up or actually scoring if I am correct, before he left the game.

After a bad loss he blew up on the team on the ice showing he was sick of losing.

I don't need stats. Hall is a leader and is what drives the Oilers. Stats just make the point I am proving more concrete.
- OilHorse

Tavares is a better player and leader... the only people that don't agree are Oiler fans!!!

Tee heeheehee!!
- robin_steele264

Good Morning Robin!!!

also keep in mind that Hall is playing with a wealth of offensive talent on his team with guys like Yakupov, Gagner, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, etc...
That tends to take the pressure off a guy. JT has Matt Moulson, who is merely a product of JT. After that, ......yeah.


Xxkeaner17xX
- keaner17

Tough to say. Tavares gets more minutes, and starts more shifts in the offensive zone. Both get around the same special teams minutes (high PP, almost no PK).

The Islanders have a better team around them - they possess the puck better, get hemmed into their own zone less, and hem the other team into their zone more. Comparing the top 4s: Schultz, Schultz, Smid and Petry to Streit, Visnovsky, Hamonic, and McDonald, I'd give a pretty solid advantage to the islanders.

The Isles produced 88 goals without Tavares. The Oilers produced 73 without Hall. I wouldn't be so quick to say Hall is an ideal situation to outscore Tavares, this past season at least.

Tavares is a better player and leader... the only people that don't agree are Oiler fans!!!
- jimmc7722

Meh like I said, give it a year.


What if the islanders miss this year and the Oil make it.


Then it's obvious things switched and Hall is better.

I love Tavares, he's a very slick, a very cerebral and a very skilled player. And he may well be better (by a wide margin) than Hall.

But the name of Hall's game is being a physical guy: north-south skater, drive the net, skate through people presence. It's essentially the most salient thing about his game.

Since we're on the 'ask impartial fans' train as a method of objectivity, I put it to the non-islanders, non-oilers fans: regardless of who's better, who is better characterized for being physically dominating: Hall or Tavares?
- Morris

I would say Hall is more physically dominating. Though Tavares might be harder to contain if you know what i mean? Like Hall will sometimes pull an Ovi and skate through people, where I think Tavares is stronger along the boards.

As for who I think is better, its kind of a bad comparison. One, your comparing a center to a winger, and I just about always give the edge to a center. And two, Hall has played one less season.

For those saying Hall had a better season last year: I disagree, sure he had a couple more points. Tavares also had way more goals (idk what you say, goals are harder to get than assists). And from watching them, Tavares imo was more dominating. (not to say hall isnt a dominant player)
Also I find Tavares a more complete 2-way player, but as a center he kind of has to be.

For those saying Hall isnt even close to being as good as Tavares: Get a grip on reality. Watch an oilers game for once. Hall can take over a game almost as well as anyone in the league. I think next season he will make alot of people look stupid. Hall is an elite winger and in the same league as Tavares. I put them all in a group of those players, just a touch below the best in the league, but wouldnt be suprised if both JT and Hall cement themselves in that group after next season.

Meh like I said, give it a year.


What if the islanders miss this year and the Oil make it.


Then it's obvious things switched and Hall is better.



- robin_steele264

ok... you win!!!

I would say Hall is more physically dominating. Though Tavares might be harder to contain if you know what i mean? Like Hall will sometimes pull an Ovi and skate through people, where I think Tavares is stronger along the boards.

As for who I think is better, its kind of a bad comparison. One, your comparing a center to a winger, and I just about always give the edge to a center. And two, Hall has played one less season.

For those saying Hall had a better season last year: I disagree, sure he had a couple more points. Tavares also had way more goals (idk what you say, goals are harder to get than assists). And from watching them, Tavares imo was more dominating. (not to say hall isnt a dominant player)
Also I find Tavares a more complete 2-way player, but as a center he kind of has to be.

For those saying Hall isnt even close to being as good as Tavares: Get a grip on reality. Watch an oilers game for once. Hall can take over a game almost as well as anyone in the league. I think next season he will make alot of people look stupid. Hall is an elite winger and in the same league as Tavares. I put them all in a group of those players, just a touch below the best in the league, but wouldnt be suprised if both JT and Hall cement themselves in that group after next season.
- pbrsimps

You're a Toronto fan... you don't know what great hockey is!!!

You probably think Kessel is better than both of them!!!

also keep in mind that Hall is playing with a wealth of offensive talent on his team with guys like Yakupov, Gagner, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, etc...
That tends to take the pressure off a guy. JT has Matt Moulson, who is merely a product of JT. After that, ......yeah.


Xxkeaner17xX
- keaner17

It always seems to go back to this bullpoop that JT has no one around him and makes others better. Its crap. We heard the same thing about PA Parenteau. Yet he left and had an even Better year without JT. Moulson was putting up numbers before he played with JT. The JT hype this year was ridiculous. Made up by media because the Isles finally made the playoffs.
Let's look back again in a few years and see. Right now I say they are equal. JT is a center so right now would get a very slight edge. But these jokers going on about it being not even close are delusional.

It always seems to go back to this bullpoop that JT has no one around him and makes others better. Its crap. We heard the same thing about PA Parenteau. Yet he left and had an even Better year without JT. Moulson was putting up numbers before he played with JT. The JT hype this year was ridiculous. Made up by media because the Isles finally made the playoffs.
Let's look back again in a few years and see. Right now I say they are equal. JT is a center so right now would get a very slight edge. But these jokers going on about it being not even close are delusional.
- Iggysbff

Umm you sure about that??

calm down guys, they are both good 1st over all picks, but no one compares to dipietro! best 1st pick ever!

You're a Toronto fan... you don't know what great hockey is!!!

You probably think Kessel is better than both of them!!!
- jimmc7722

And this is where you lose all credibility. If you hadnt lost it already.

For the record, obviously I would trade Kessel for either of them in a heart beat. And i'm a big fan of kessel.

And this is where you lose all credibility. If you hadnt lost it already.

For the record, obviously I would trade Kessel for either of them in a heart beat. And i'm a big fan of kessel.
- pbrsimps

Yes the Oiler's would... and have to add a first rounder to even it out!!!

Hall and a 1st for Tavares!!!
- jimmc7722

I would need more than that to trade JT

Meh like I said, give it a year.


What if the islanders miss this year and the Oil make it.


Then it's obvious things switched and Hall is better.



- robin_steele264

are you a switch hitter?

It always seems to go back to this bullpoop that JT has no one around him and makes others better. Its crap. We heard the same thing about PA Parenteau. Yet he left and had an even Better year without JT. Moulson was putting up numbers before he played with JT. The JT hype this year was ridiculous. Made up by media because the Isles finally made the playoffs.
Let's look back again in a few years and see. Right now I say they are equal. JT is a center so right now would get a very slight edge. But these jokers going on about it being not even close are delusional.
- Iggysbff

FAIL. Totally wrong.

xxkeaner17xx

calm down guys, they are both good 1st over all picks, but no one compares to dipietro! best 1st pick ever!


- digitalbath

Can't believe you guys are considering signing him!

keaner17

Tough to say. Tavares gets more minutes, and starts more shifts in the offensive zone. Both get around the same special teams minutes (high PP, almost no PK).

The Islanders have a better team around them - they possess the puck better, get hemmed into their own zone less, and hem the other team into their zone more. Comparing the top 4s: Schultz, Schultz, Smid and Petry to Streit, Visnovsky, Hamonic, and McDonald, I'd give a pretty solid advantage to the islanders.

The Isles produced 88 goals without Tavares. The Oilers produced 73 without Hall. I wouldn't be so quick to say Hall is an ideal situation to outscore Tavares, this past season at least.
- Morris

Doesn't sound like you've seen many Islanders games
MacDonald belongs in the AHL, he's flat out awful. Streit is a defensive liability that had most of us cheering the moment the team decided not to resign him. He's also one of the worst dmen I've seen in years at keeping the puck in the offensive zone.
Overall I get what you're saying, and while I do think the Isles are better in terms of overall game, I think the Oilers are unquestionably the more offensively talented of the two. That's the point, having more offensive firepower keeps defenses a bit more honest when focusing on one player. Things will change for the Isles once Strome is in the mix, but right now, it's JT and a team full of third line players.


Xxkeaner17xX