Richard Cloutier: The Gretzky Thing

Dekeyser?

I mean first.

(frank)ing Pocklington

The only reason men should remember an anniversary of any kind is in anticipation of drunken hotel sex at the end of the night...

The only reason men should remember an anniversary of any kind is in anticipation of drunken hotel sex at the end of the night...
- Dissent

Or their divorce, usually a happy event.

So Spitfire tells me.

My sister's (the sister I like) dog just had to get put down... She was 15, so she had a good run I suppose

Richard Cloutier: The Gretzky Thing
- Maxbone

I thought you used to be a Flames fan...

My sister's (the sister I like) dog just had to get put down... She was 15, so she had a good run I suppose
- laughs2907

Should've taken a needle for you know who. Put down a bad run.

I thought you used to be a Flames fan...
- laughs2907

When I lived in Calgary between 1993 and 1996, yes. I always cheer for the home team.

When I lived in Calgary between 1993 and 1996, yes. I always cheer for the home team.
- Maxbone

So Boyle over Lac La Biche now?

True story?

Should've taken a needle for you know who. Put down a bad run.
- Lahey

So Boyle over Lac La Biche now?
- Lahey

Boyle doesn't have a home team for anything.

True story?
- jmatchett383

Perhaps.

Oilers agree on a 3 year entry level contract with jujhar khaira. Hopefully this kid turns out to be a player.

I know it was a different era, and he was nothing compared to Gretzky, but I'm surprised at how good Jimmy Carson's numbers were... http://www.hockeydb.com/i...tats/pdisplay.php?pid=845

RC break down the schedule in your next blog

My buddy Richard lost six Gretzky rookie cards when his parents moved out of town. True story. He put them in a purple Crown Royal bag and never saw them again. That's $12,000 just walking out the door.

in very nice condition probably closer to 3K

Richard Cloutier: The Gretzky Thing
- Maxbone

Hindsight is 20/20, but the Oilers could have been A-Ok if they had used those assets adequately.

Ignoring the 15m in cash and Gelinas and Carson - who were what they were - here's what we did with first round picks in 1989, 1991 and 1993:

- trade the 89 pick for Corey Foster, a former 12th overall pick by New Jersey who became essentially a career AHLer.
- Draft Martin Rucinsky (20th). Trade him in his first season for Ron Tugntt and Brad Zavisha.
- Draft Nick Stadjuhar (16th)

Here's what we could have done:
- Draft Olaf Kolzig (taken one slot after the NJ pick) or Adam Foote (taken two slots later). This eliminates the need to trade Rucinsky for Tugnutt or draft Stajduhar as the case may be, and I lean towards drafting Foote.
- Draft Ray Whitney (who went 23rd) or Sandis Ozilinsch (who went 30th). Or, does a 20th and our 12th (we used it on Tyler Wright apparently) get the 6th overall pick that year (Petr Forseberg)? Let's just say we've got Whitney.
- Draft Koivu (who went 21st).

Here's what the 93 hindsight Oilers now look like post-dynasty:
Weight, Arnott as budding top 2 centres. Still have MacTavish and a young Todd Marchand, and Koivu in the pipeline.

Ray Whitney, Zdeno Ciger, Shayne Corson, Dean McAmmond , Kelly Buchberger, Kirk Maltby

Defense with Foote, Luke Richardson, Igor Kravchuk, Frederik Olausson and Bob Beers at 22, 24, 26, 26 and 26 respectively.

Let alone having drafted poorly during the dynasty years. All this to say that if the Oilers were a better team at drafting, it wouldn't have been a fair deal still, but it wouldn't have been disastrous as it was.

Interesting anecdote: Opting not to re-sign Bryan Pitton in 2011, the Oilers relinquished the final decedent asset from the Gretzky trade.

Finally, always thought it was a stroke of genius by Vachon and McNall to give non-consecutive 1sts to the Oilers. It allowed them to keep stocked while adding game-breaking talent. If you think that's a minor detail, ask Brian Burke whether he might have preferred giving up non-consecutives for Kessel.

Hindsight is 20/20, but the Oilers could have been A-Ok if they had used those assets adequately.

Ignoring the 15m in cash and Gelinas and Carson - who were what they were - here's what we did with first round picks in 1989, 1991 and 1993:

- trade the 89 pick for Corey Foster, a former 12th overall pick by New Jersey who became essentially a career AHLer.
- Draft Martin Rucinsky (20th). Trade him in his first season for Ron Tugntt and Brad Zavisha.
- Draft Nick Stadjuhar (16th)

Here's what we could have done:
- Draft Olaf Kolzig (taken one slot after the NJ pick) or Adam Foote (taken two slots later). This eliminates the need to trade Rucinsky for Tugnutt or draft Stajduhar as the case may be, and I lean towards drafting Foote.
- Draft Ray Whitney (who went 23rd) or Sandis Ozilinsch (who went 30th). Or, does a 20th and our 12th (we used it on Tyler Wright apparently) get the 6th overall pick that year (Petr Forseberg)? Let's just say we've got Whitney.
- Draft Koivu (who went 21st).

Here's what the 93 hindsight Oilers now look like post-dynasty:
Weight, Arnott as budding top 2 centres. Still have MacTavish and a young Todd Marchand, and Koivu in the pipeline.

Ray Whitney, Zdeno Ciger, Shayne Corson, Dean McAmmond , Kelly Buchberger, Kirk Maltby

Defense with Foote, Luke Richardson, Igor Kravchuk, Frederik Olausson and Bob Beers at 22, 24, 26, 26 and 26 respectively.

Let alone having drafted poorly during the dynasty years. All this to say that if the Oilers were a better team at drafting, it wouldn't have been a fair deal still, but it wouldn't have been disastrous as it was.

Interesting anecdote: Opting not to re-sign Bryan Pitton in 2011, the Oilers relinquished the final decedent asset from the Gretzky trade.

Finally, always thought it was a stroke of genius by Vachon and McNall to give non-consecutive 1sts to the Oilers. It allowed them to keep stocked while adding game-breaking talent. If you think that's a minor detail, ask Brian Burke whether he might have preferred giving up non-consecutives for Kessel.
- Morris

Could you imagine in today's NHL what would happen if Ovi or Crosby was traded only to see the main piece(carson) dealt a year later?

There would be deaths.

I know it was a different era, and he was nothing compared to Gretzky, but I'm surprised at how good Jimmy Carson's numbers were... http://www.hockeydb.com/i...tats/pdisplay.php?pid=845
- laughs2907

Dude was simply a head-case. He was arguably the best player his age in the game though.

We probably don't get Robitaille if we asked for him instead, but maybe we would have been able to snag another one of their top prospects at the time, a guy named Rob Blake...

- laughs2907

That's quite the throw

Oilers agree on a 3 year entry level contract with jujhar khaira. Hopefully this kid turns out to be a player.
- Snagglepuss

Wasn't he the bad guy from one of the Mortal Kombat games?

Finally, always thought it was a stroke of genius by Vachon and McNall to give non-consecutive 1sts to the Oilers. It allowed them to keep stocked while adding game-breaking talent.
- Morris

i actually thought that gretzky was the one who had input on that last detail, unless i read the article in THN wrong...