The problem I've got with some Oilers fans and most Toronto fans is that when you suggest something, you get a response of "you're stupid go away" without any explanation or constructive criticism of my comments, which i can handle...this site is for talking hockey...not for calling people stupid for making suggestions...whether the suggestions are far out there or not...

And that last comment coming from a leafs fan makes me laugh, feeling big now that you finally got to embarrass yourself in the playoffs for the first time in the last decade?
- annoyance_101

Not at all, In fact I'd say that I'm one of the Leaf's most realistic posters. Certainly the most charming

For me it's all about trajectory; The Leafs have one of the youngest teams in the league, a bonafide top ten scorer in Kessel (albeit a streaky one), and good young goaltending. The defense is a question, but with Gardiner and Rielly, we have two of the better young puck movers out there; add in good prospects such as Finn, Percy, Blacker who are solid 2 way guys, and Granberg and Nielson are both very promising, under the radar guys who play a more solid, shutdown style. With some patience, the future is bright.

For the Canucks, your main guys are towards the end of their prime. Still exceptional players, but they're unlikely to improve and unless the prospects can be slowly weened into the team properly, you'll find the good times drop off fast. Couple that with relatively poor management from Gillis (trust me, I know what this looks like!!!) and you may find that the future is not quite as good as you have had it the past couple of years...

Not at all, In fact I'd say that I'm one of the Leaf's most realistic posters. Certainly the most charming

For me it's all about trajectory; The Leafs have one of the youngest teams in the league, a bonafide top ten scorer in Kessel (albeit a streaky one), and good young goaltending. The defense is a question, but with Gardiner and Rielly, we have two of the better young puck movers out there; add in good prospects such as Finn, Percy, Blacker who are solid 2 way guys, and Granberg and Nielson are both very promising, under the radar guys who play a more solid, shutdown style. With some patience, the future is bright.

For the Canucks, your main guys are towards the end of their prime. Still exceptional players, but they're unlikely to improve and unless the prospects can be slowly weened into the team properly, you'll find the good times drop off fast. Couple that with relatively poor management from Gillis (trust me, I know what this looks like!!!) and you may find that the future is not quite as good as you have had it the past couple of years...
- lumlums

See thats the kind of response which won't get me being sarcastic or rude in any way I agree for the most part, the core of the Canucks is beginning to age a bit...I think every team eventually tails off, I've absolutely hated some of the moves Gillis has made lately, mostly how he handled luongo, but some of that was luongos fault for not waiving his NTC when he was given the chance, he wanted florida and nothing else, and it screwed the team and himself...I just read tonight that Booth was supposed to be bought out but due to still being injured from a game back against detroit, he can't be until he's healthy again...which would explain why tanevs not re-signed yet...sucks...booth has all the talent to make a great top 6 forward but not the durability it takes to make an impact...

As for the leafs, I am not sure why Liles is still with the team...he should be bought out...They absolutely cannot mess around with Kadri...he's one of their best players...which is the only reason I got bored earlier and tried to come up with scenarios that could potentially work for both clubs...but it would all depend if Kessel would sign with the Oilers...he could be a part of something very special and he's fairly young still...so that shouldnt be the issue...but oh well

See thats the kind of response which won't get me being sarcastic or rude in any way I agree for the most part, the core of the Canucks is beginning to age a bit...I think every team eventually tails off, I've absolutely hated some of the moves Gillis has made lately, mostly how he handled luongo, but some of that was luongos fault for not waiving his NTC when he was given the chance, he wanted florida and nothing else, and it screwed the team and himself...I just read tonight that Booth was supposed to be bought out but due to still being injured from a game back against detroit, he can't be until he's healthy again...which would explain why tanevs not re-signed yet...sucks...booth has all the talent to make a great top 6 forward but not the durability it takes to make an impact...

As for the leafs, I am not sure why Liles is still with the team...he should be bought out...They absolutely cannot mess around with Kadri...he's one of their best players...which is the only reason I got bored earlier and tried to come up with scenarios that could potentially work for both clubs...but it would all depend if Kessel would sign with the Oilers...he could be a part of something very special and he's fairly young still...so that shouldnt be the issue...but oh well
- annoyance_101

I think that's most likely why the Nucks only bought out one, because they couldn't buy out Booth. As for Lu, I guess you only have to look at the NTC to see where the problem comes from, from everybody's perspective...

As for the Leafs, I think Liles is still here until training camp to see if he can get back to his pre-concussion play. Kinda poopty for the cap, but it happens... Kadri has the potential to become really special, and dear God I hope that he fulfills it...

I think that's most likely why the Nucks only bought out one, because they couldn't buy out Booth. As for Lu, I guess you only have to look at the NTC to see where the problem comes from, from everybody's perspective...

As for the Leafs, I think Liles is still here until training camp to see if he can get back to his pre-concussion play. Kinda poopty for the cap, but it happens... Kadri has the potential to become really special, and dear God I hope that he fulfills it...
- lumlums

Well from what I heard on tsn today, Kadri sounds like he thinks he cant fit under the cap right now...kinda scary if you ask me...Nonis better pull a rabbit out of his ass to make sure he gets signed soon

See thats the kind of response which won't get me being sarcastic or rude in any way I agree for the most part, the core of the Canucks is beginning to age a bit...I think every team eventually tails off, I've absolutely hated some of the moves Gillis has made lately, mostly how he handled luongo, but some of that was luongos fault for not waiving his NTC when he was given the chance, he wanted florida and nothing else, and it screwed the team and himself...I just read tonight that Booth was supposed to be bought out but due to still being injured from a game back against detroit, he can't be until he's healthy again...which would explain why tanevs not re-signed yet...sucks...booth has all the talent to make a great top 6 forward but not the durability it takes to make an impact...

As for the leafs, I am not sure why Liles is still with the team...he should be bought out...They absolutely cannot mess around with Kadri...he's one of their best players...which is the only reason I got bored earlier and tried to come up with scenarios that could potentially work for both clubs...but it would all depend if Kessel would sign with the Oilers...he could be a part of something very special and he's fairly young still...so that shouldnt be the issue...but oh well
- annoyance_101

I don't think anyone on the Oilers side would want anything to do with a Kessel for Yakupov trade. Not that Kessel isn't a good player but his new deal that he would still have to sign with us, would seriously (frank) up our cap situation. Why would we want to take a guy that has one year left on his deal till he's a UFA over a guy with 2 years left on his ELC? Kessel is the better player as of right now but I fully expect Yak to be one of the elite snipers in the league within a couple years which is the timeframe in which we expect to contend. This trade make absolutely no sense for the Oilers at all.

How much PP time has Petry had this past season? Washe even on the 2nd unit. I don't remember seeing him there very much.
- Jeropotato

Must have been under a minute. Don't know where to find that.

Horcoff-RNH-Hall-Schultz-Hemsky
Gagner-Eberle-Yak-MPS/Harti-Whitney/Potter
I think were the units. They were switched around a lot

I bow to all Oilers fans, they are the most knowledgeable fan base in the league...and since this is the case, you can easily pick up on my sarcasm
- annoyance_101

I'd say the CHI fans are the most knowledgeable on this site. A lot of not-so-smart leafs, sabres, canucks, and oiler fans here

but thanks for that useless post

My opinion of Oilers fans would get me banned if I were direct about it
- annoyance_101

Some VAN fans are growing on me. I used to troll the VAN threads so their hate was warranted.

Not a fan of yours by any means. You hang around the oilers thread and comment on the oilers so much without watching the games, post games, etc. yet you try to act knowledgeable on the subjects

The problem I've got with some Oilers fans and most Toronto fans is that when you suggest something, you get a response of "you're stupid go away" without any explanation or constructive criticism of my comments, which i can handle...this site is for talking hockey...not for calling people stupid for making suggestions...whether the suggestions are far out there or not...

And that last comment coming from a leafs fan makes me laugh, feeling big now that you finally got to embarrass yourself in the playoffs for the first time in the last decade?
- annoyance_101

"I bow to all Oilers fans, they are the most knowledgeable fan base in the league...and since this is the case, you can easily pick up on my sarcasm"

sounds constructive to me

Not at all, In fact I'd say that I'm one of the Leaf's most realistic posters. Certainly the most charming

For me it's all about trajectory; The Leafs have one of the youngest teams in the league, a bonafide top ten scorer in Kessel (albeit a streaky one), and good young goaltending. The defense is a question, but with Gardiner and Rielly, we have two of the better young puck movers out there; add in good prospects such as Finn, Percy, Blacker who are solid 2 way guys, and Granberg and Nielson are both very promising, under the radar guys who play a more solid, shutdown style. With some patience, the future is bright.

For the Canucks, your main guys are towards the end of their prime. Still exceptional players, but they're unlikely to improve and unless the prospects can be slowly weened into the team properly, you'll find the good times drop off fast. Couple that with relatively poor management from Gillis (trust me, I know what this looks like!!!) and you may find that the future is not quite as good as you have had it the past couple of years...
- lumlums

don't worry. you're one of my favourites

I think Finn will surprise fans at how he turns out. Never watched a bad game of his. People I follow on twitter always have good things to say about him. I had hoped EDM'd pick him at 32 but they decided that they were retarded and picked a facepuncher.

Some VAN fans are growing on me. I used to troll the VAN threads so their hate was warranted.

Not a fan of yours by any means. You hang around the oilers thread and comment on the oilers so much without watching the games, post games, etc. yet you try to act knowledgeable on the subjects
- TheNugeIsHuge

Without watching the games? NOW YOU HAVE CAMERAS SET UP IN MY PLACE?!?!?! For the record, I watch far more Oilers games than you give credit for, which is exactly why I've said for years they need goaltending and defense if they ever want to contend seriously...they've slowly started fixing those problems since I first started saying that...so keep on thinking I don't watch anything to do with the Oilers...you'll be wrong every single time...

I don't think anyone on the Oilers side would want anything to do with a Kessel for Yakupov trade. Not that Kessel isn't a good player but his new deal that he would still have to sign with us, would seriously (frank) up our cap situation. Why would we want to take a guy that has one year left on his deal till he's a UFA over a guy with 2 years left on his ELC? Kessel is the better player as of right now but I fully expect Yak to be one of the elite snipers in the league within a couple years which is the timeframe in which we expect to contend. This trade make absolutely no sense for the Oilers at all.
- Ihatebrianburke

Ya. Kessel's getting north of 7M. Yak'll cost half of what Kessel will for a year. Not to mention age and oil country falling in love with the kid

- annoyance_101

I think it's fair to say these are the top 10 forwards in the Oilers history...

1) Wayne Gretzky
2) Mark Messier
3) Jari Kurri
4) Glenn Anderson
5) Doug Weight
6) Ryan Smyth
7) Esa Tikkanen
8) Ales Hemsky
9) Craig MacTavish
10) Craig Simpson

Top 4 is pretty crazy, but I can see Hall, Eberle, RNH, and Yakupov penciled in at anywhere from 5-10.

Without watching the games? NOW YOU HAVE CAMERAS SET UP IN MY PLACE?!?!?! For the record, I watch far more Oilers games than you give credit for, which is exactly why I've said for years they need goaltending and defense if they ever want to contend seriously...they've slowly started fixing those problems since I first started saying that...so keep on thinking I don't watch anything to do with the Oilers...you'll be wrong every single time...
- annoyance_101

"for years". Certainly the past few years. If you watched oiler games this year, you'd know Dubey was superb. Put him behind a team with an actual top pairing and he's something special.

fans of other teams and even fellow oiler fans can laugh, but I think EDM's a 1LD and a quality 3LW and 4C from playoff contention.

I think it's fair to say these are the top 10 forwards in the Oilers history...

1) Wayne Gretzky
2) Mark Messier
3) Jari Kurri
4) Glenn Anderson
5) Doug Weight
6) Ryan Smyth
7) Esa Tikkanen
8) Ales Hemsky
9) Craig MacTavish
10) Craig Simpson

Top 4 is pretty crazy, but I can see Hall, Eberle, RNH, and Yakupov penciled in at anywhere from 5-10.
- laughs2907

thats fair enough...i would personally never have hemsky on there, and i know it ended badly but I'd put pronger on that list honestly...and Coffey somewhere...I was a big Coffey fan regardless of the team he was playing for...great player

Some VAN fans are growing on me. I used to troll the VAN threads so their hate was warranted.

Not a fan of yours by any means. You hang around the oilers thread and comment on the oilers so much without watching the games, post games, etc. yet you try to act knowledgeable on the subjects
- TheNugeIsHuge

I use to hang out in the vancouver threads too but Esplen and Micah are cry babies and you get banned for saying anything bad about the canucks no matter how logical or true it might be

thats fair enough...i would personally never have hemsky on there, and i know it ended badly but I'd put pronger on that list honestly...and Coffey somewhere...I was a big Coffey fan regardless of the team he was playing for...great player
- annoyance_101

No no, I'm just talking about forwards.

don't worry. you're one of my favourites

I think Finn will surprise fans at how he turns out. Never watched a bad game of his. People I follow on twitter always have good things to say about him. I had hoped EDM'd pick him at 32 but they decided that they were retarded and picked a facepuncher.
- TheNugeIsHuge

I was disappointed we took Moroz over Finn as well.

"for years". Certainly the past few years. If you watched oiler games this year, you'd know Dubey was superb. Put him behind a team with an actual top pairing and he's something special.

fans of other teams and even fellow oiler fans can laugh, but I think EDM's a 1LD and a quality 3LW and 4C from playoff contention.
- TheNugeIsHuge

Well if you truly have that opinion, I can't disagree with it, opinions are just that, opinions...I don't particularly think Dubnyk was THAT great...but I've said many times this summer, he would be adequate enough...if Crawford can backstop the hawks to a cup, I think anyone can, if Reimer can get the leafs to the playoffs, anyone can, the team game just has to be there...coaching is the Oilers biggest issue...or at least it has been since they made their cup run years ago...I think Eakins could work well though

No no, I'm just talking about forwards.
- laughs2907

Ah oops, yea i think some of those 4 right now could reach the top 10...but not THE top of the top 10...none of them will reach gretzky and messiers level ever...i think saying 5-10 is far enough...

thats fair enough...i would personally never have hemsky on there, and i know it ended badly but I'd put pronger on that list honestly...and Coffey somewhere...I was a big Coffey fan regardless of the team he was playing for...great player
- annoyance_101

Pronger only played a season in EDM. He said forwards, Coffey doesn't qualify.

Hemsky was great for years. I'd put him on that list without hesitation. Part of me still thinks he can be a 50+P player somewhere else. Was on pace for like 43 this year I think

Well if you truly have that opinion, I can't disagree with it, opinions are just that, opinions...I don't particularly think Dubnyk was THAT great...but I've said many times this summer, he would be adequate enough...if Crawford can backstop the hawks to a cup, I think anyone can, if Reimer can get the leafs to the playoffs, anyone can, the team game just has to be there...coaching is the Oilers biggest issue...or at least it has been since they made their cup run years ago...I think Eakins could work well though
- annoyance_101

I think Reimer is quite good too. Never been a fan of Crawford's but he picked up the pace and should have won the Conn Smythe this year. I'm of the mindset that you can win cups without elite goalies. Although they help.

Eakins better be all he's built up to be. Krueger made EDM horrid 5 on 5.

EDIT: Krueger AND Tambo made EDM horrid 5 on 5

Pronger only played a season in EDM. He said forwards, Coffey doesn't qualify.

Hemsky was great for years. I'd put him on that list without hesitation. Part of me still thinks he can be a 50+P player somewhere else. Was on pace for like 43 this year I think
- TheNugeIsHuge

Thanks for repeating exactly what he said but in a much ruder way

Thanks for repeating exactly what he said but in a much ruder way
- annoyance_101

what?

All I did was point out what was wrong. No attitude intended lol

Petry had 0 PP points. So I'm thinking he had little to no PP time.