Ummm, 30 teams, you dont see players getting 200 points a season, goalie equipment was (frank)ing piece of crap back then, it was alot easier to score goals.
- FLYERSROCK!

I do believe Teemu had his big season when there were 24 teams. And there was only really 8 years separating Teemu's best years to Jari's best years. And goalie equipment in the late 80's wasn't as crap as people think.

As for players getting 200 points....only one player ever did, another was close, but like I said, that other was fighting for a scoring title as an old man on one hip.

Ummm, 30 teams, you dont see players getting 200 points a season, goalie equipment was (frank)ing piece of crap back then, it was alot easier to score goals.
- FLYERSROCK!

Or maybe because of the training and conditioning that the players go through nowadays the skill level of all the players is a lot closer than it used to be. Goalie equipment is not the only thing that got better either, composite sticks allow for much faster and harder shots than wood.

And maybe if Gretzky was playing in his prime in the NHL today he would still get 200 points, especially with all the new penalties benefiting the skill players.

Sellane didn`t score on his own in his rookie yr. he has Tkucuk as his left winger, and Zhamnov who was good, and Housley and two other offensive defensman feeding him the puck right on his stick at close to full speed on the fly.

Nobody compares to Hously when it come to the breakout pass.
- yaktalksback

I'll give you Housley being a factor, but are you sure Zhamanov and Tkachuk influenced that 92/93 season?

Player Name GP G A Pts PIM +/-
Teemu Selanne 84 76 56 132 45 8
Phil Housley 80 18 79 97 52 -14
Alexei Zhamnov 68 25 47 72 58 7
Thomas Steen 80 22 50 72 75 -8
Darrin Shannon 84 20 40 60 91 -4
Fredrik Olausson 68 16 41 57 22 -4

compare that to:

# Player Name GP G A Pts PIM +/-
99 Wayne Gretzky 80 73 135 208 52 98
17 Jari Kurri 73 71 64 135 30 76
7 Paul Coffey 80 37 84 121 97 55
26 Mike Krushelnyski 80 43 45 88 60 56
9 Glenn Anderson 80 42 39 81 69 24
11 Mark Messier 55 23 31 54 57 8

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Or maybe because of the training and conditioning that the players go through nowadays the skill level of all the players is a lot closer than it used to be. Goalie equipment is not the only thing that got better either, composite sticks allow for much faster and harder shots than wood.

And maybe if Gretzky was playing in his prime in the NHL today he would still get 200 points, especially with all the new penalties benefiting the skill players.
- Dangles13

i honestly cant see that happening. The goalies are way too good nowadays.
Gretzky could hit 150 if he played a full season, 150-175, no higher.

It really isn't even comparable. Today's NHL is so much tougher. Teams have much more depth, and the goalies are superior to 25 years or later ago.

I'll give you Housley being a factor, but are you sure Zhamanov and Tkachuk influenced that 92/93 season?

Player Name GP G A Pts PIM +/-
Teemu Selanne 84 76 56 132 45 8
Phil Housley 80 18 79 97 52 -14
Alexei Zhamnov 68 25 47 72 58 7
Thomas Steen 80 22 50 72 75 -8
Darrin Shannon 84 20 40 60 91 -4
Fredrik Olausson 68 16 41 57 22 -4

compare that to:

# Player Name GP G A Pts PIM +/-
99 Wayne Gretzky 80 73 135 208 52 98
17 Jari Kurri 73 71 64 135 30 76
7 Paul Coffey 80 37 84 121 97 55
26 Mike Krushelnyski 80 43 45 88 60 56
9 Glenn Anderson 80 42 39 81 69 24
11 Mark Messier 55 23 31 54 57 8
- mykokes

The fact that even Mike Krushelnyski scored that many points says it all...

i honestly cant see that happening. The goalies are way too good nowadays.
Gretzky could hit 150 if he played a full season, 150-175, no higher.

It really isn't even comparable. Today's NHL is so much tougher. Teams have much more depth, and the goalies are superior to 25 years or later ago.
- FLYERSROCK!

You could be right, it's an impossible discussion to end. They do say talent does find a way though.

i honestly cant see that happening. The goalies are way too good nowadays.
Gretzky could hit 150 if he played a full season, 150-175, no higher.

It really isn't even comparable. Today's NHL is so much tougher. Teams have much more depth, and the goalies are superior to 25 years or later ago.
- FLYERSROCK!

I don't disagree with what you're saying, and there's no way we'll ever know what Gretzky could've done in this era. But in all my years, there has never been a player I hated more, or feared more than Wayne. Mario was close, but Wayne would just ruin you if you weren't careful. The Boston meltdown has nothing, and I mean nothing on what Wayne did to us in 93.

As for goalies I'd still take Roy over any goalie today.

You could be right, it's an impossible discussion to end. They do say talent does find a way though.
- Dangles13

agreed

I don't disagree with what you're saying, and there's no way we'll ever know what Gretzky could've done in this era. But in all my years, there has never been a player I hated more, or feared more than Wayne. Mario was close, but Wayne would just ruin you if you weren't careful. The Boston meltdown has nothing, and I mean nothing on what Wayne did to us in 93.

As for goalies I'd still take Roy over any goalie today.
- mykokes

i would too for Roy. But im talking about 25-35 years ago lol. Like if u put the best goalie from back in those days, in his prime into nowadays, he'd be probably not even top 10 in the NHL.

I sometimes wonder if Wayne might've had another Hart Trophy or Art Ross Trophy in him if not for the Gary Suter hit from behind. Guy was still a PPG player into his late 30s......

Good blog.

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Let's start the Clout free era off right.

How all you (frank)ers doin? 9 hours of surfing today....freakin awesome day.

i would too for Roy. But im talking about 25-35 years ago lol. Like if u put the best goalie from back in those days, in his prime into nowadays, he'd be probably not even top 10 in the NHL.
- FLYERSROCK!

Dude, this is going to age yourself a bit but the best goalie 25 years ago was Roy lol.
Vezina Trophy Winner 1988–89 Patrick Roy Montreal Canadiens 1

I think Burke (size, look what he's done with Smith) Hextal (too good with the poke check and intimidating), Lindberg (ahead of his time), Fuhr (agile), Vernon (won cups in the 90s), Moog would've all been successful in todays NHL. Guys like Pang, Bester, Hanlon, Froese not so much.

I think Burke in his prime would've had the best chance of that group to be top 10 because of his size and the equipment on him would've been huge.

Dude, this is going to age yourself a bit but the best goalie 25 years ago was Roy lol.
Vezina Trophy Winner 1988–89 Patrick Roy Montreal Canadiens 1

I think Burke (size, look what he's done with Smith) Hextal (too good with the poke check and intimidating), Lindberg (ahead of his time), Fuhr (agile), Vernon (won cups in the 90s), Moog would've all been successful in todays NHL. Guys like Pang, Bester, Hanlon, Froese not so much.

I think Burke in his prime would've had the best chance of that group to be top 10 because of his size and the equipment on him would've been huge.
- mykokes

Jesus (frank) Roys been gone that long?
(frank)... that hit me like a car hitting a solid brick wall

jesus i am young but i didnt realize all these guys have been gone that long...

Good blog.

All I ask is troll free blogging with a decent level of hockey knowledge. Post often and the discussion and other oiler reg's fun will ensue.

Let's start the Clout free era off right.

How all you (frank)ers doin? 9 hours of surfing today....freakin awesome day.
- Iggysbff

I'm doing just dandy, thanks for asking. Surfing hay, tofino?

I'm doing just dandy, thanks for asking. Surfing hay, tofino?
- HouseArrest187

porn in his mothers basement

porn in his mothers basement
- all mighty oil

nice

Jesus (frank) Roys been gone that long?
(frank)... that hit me like a car hitting a solid brick wall

jesus i am young but i didnt realize all these guys have been gone that long...
- FLYERSROCK!

I think Roy was the best goalie of all time. I know people will argue Brodeur because of his numbers but you can't argue that New jersey system help him out...IMO quite a bit.

I think Roy was the best goalie of all time. I know people will argue Brodeur because of his numbers but you can't argue that New jersey system help him out...IMO quite a bit.
- Yeti1181

Take each goalies best 6 years.... Hasek wins

Take each goalies best 6 years.... Hasek wins
- robin_steele264

He's my2

Pretty slow on here tonight

Take each goalies best 6 years.... Hasek wins
- robin_steele264

Count 30 win and 40 win seasons, and Brodeur wins.

I pee sitting down for $hits and giggles.
- Reveen

Well if you are going to poop you better sit

Well if you are going to poop you better sit
- Lahey

(frank)ing amateur

Take each goalies best 6 years.... Hasek wins
- robin_steele264

Yeah, those vezina trophies are damn impressive.