They just signed Gunnar. Kulemin has a better chance of being traded than Liles. We don't have the depth at G to trade Reimer...not sure if this post is serious or not...so much wrong with it.
- Gunslinger

Easier to replace a 3rd liner, then replace a top 4 defenseman or a first line centre. Once Kulimen is traded, maybe Liles could then be moved, for a similar cap hit, for a player that could log 3rd line minutes.

- Gunslinger

Bit over a month to go... this is Nonis' moment of truth.

Easier to replace a 3rd liner, then replace a top 4 defenseman or a first line centre. Once Kulimen is traded, maybe Liles could then be moved, for a similar cap hit, for a player that could log 3rd line minutes.
- PrinceLH

Who said anything about a top 4 dman or first line center. Point is that Liles is harder to move than Kulemin, Gunnar was just signed and isn't going anywhere, and Reimer is very much still needed until proven otherwise.

Probably so. Either Liles or Kulimen have to be moved. Neither is as important as Kadri and or Franson.
- PrinceLH

fine by me.

Bit over a month to go... this is Nonis' moment of truth.
- Stee-Dot

You know the outcome will be hated by fans and mocked by the rival fan bases.

They just signed Gunnar. Kulemin has a better chance of being traded than Liles. We don't have the depth at G to trade Reimer...not sure if this post is serious or not...so much wrong with it.
- Gunslinger

It was fairly serious....

You know the outcome will be hated by fans and mocked by the rival fan bases.
- Gunslinger

Yup... it's written in the books.

fine by me.
- Barx

Same here. We can do without both. I don't know why so many Leafs fans rate Kulimen so high. He had one good year and has struggled ever since. Now that his buddy Grabovski is gone, he is an island all onto himself.

you must have missed the Henrique signing....that was kinda the point.
RFA's with his track record do indeed get long term deals.
- Barx

They may get term, but not big time cash.

Subban and Duchene are both far better than Kadri and both got bridge deals. Henrique got some added money because he sacrificed UFA years.

Kadri either gets 4 and we control his rights for over half a decade or he can set himself for a massive payday in two years and take a smaller bridge deal. My impression is he wants huge AAV, which he isn't getting no matter what.

Who said anything about a top 4 dman or first line center. Point is that Liles is harder to move than Kulemin, Gunnar was just signed and isn't going anywhere, and Reimer is very much still needed until proven otherwise.
- Gunslinger

Yeah, Reimer isn't going anywhere until Bernier clearly takes the job. If that doesn't happen, then maybe Bernier moves.

But trading your top two young goaltenders out of the system (Reimer and Scrivens) and blindly pinning all your hopes on the unproven new guy is the type of move that ends careers.

Ask JFJ.

Yeah, Reimer isn't going anywhere until Bernier clearly takes the job. If that doesn't happen, then maybe Bernier moves.

But trading your top two young goaltenders out of the system (Reimer and Scrivens) and blindly pinning all your hopes on the unproven new guy is the type of move that ends careers.

Ask JFJ.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Yup, hope it works out, but it could end up being crap.

The other side of the trade scenario is the return. Quality needs to come back but it can't be salary. Big pickle I'd say.

The other side of the trade scenario is the return. Quality needs to come back but it can't be salary. Big pickle I'd say.
- aminnes

Biiiiiiiiig pickle

Biiiiiiiiig pickle
- robin_steele264

All roads point to...?

So luongo and Raymond for Kadri, Reimer and Liles

Vantel told me

Biiiiiiiiig pickle
- robin_steele264

You raaaaang???

All roads point to...?
- aminnes

I have no clue how this will play out. Normally I have a hunch or an educated guess.


This I just have no idea.


Nonis must have some sort of plan right?

The other side of the trade scenario is the return. Quality needs to come back but it can't be salary. Big pickle I'd say.
- aminnes

What about Philly?

Obviously, both teams are in a bit of a jam, but is there any way to at least flip salary for salary in the hopes both teams can improve?

Coburn has been floating out there all summer. Franson and Kadri for Coburn and Schenn or Couts?

We solve our RFA problem and maybe Holmgren can get them cheaper than us in the US with lower income tax rates.

Bit over a month to go... this is Nonis' moment of truth.
- Stee-Dot

It is definitely going to show us Leaf fans what kind of mettle the man has. He has the faith of Lieweke obviously...now he has to prove to us how his managerial skills stack up in regards to being considered an 'elite' GM.
Just when everything starts to be looking good on the upswing...aww man...I don't even want to complete the sentence/thought. Let's just let this play out and we'll pass judgement on GM Nonis after these problems are sorted out...one way or another.

It is definitely going to show us Leaf fans what kind of mettle the man has. He has the faith of Lieweke obviously...now he has to prove to us how his managerial skills stack up in regards to being considered an 'elite' GM.
Just when everything starts to be looking good on the upswing...aww man...I don't even want to complete the sentence/thought. Let's just let this play out and we'll pass judgement on GM Nonis after these problems are sorted out...one way or another.
- clintyboy

Its not even his fault, but it is his job to figure it out.

mmmm

I have no clue how this will play out. Normally I have a hunch or an educated guess.

This I just have no idea.

Nonis must have some sort of plan right?
- robin_steele264

I'm also very expectant/apprehensive. I have a feeling that it could be Kuli getting moved, which would really suck because very few of our guys give us what he does. All I can think of is that Nonis is holding off on any decisions until camp to see what we have in the youngsters, but that of course doesn't help get Kadri/Franson signed. He can of course sign them, be 10% over the cap, and then make a hail mary move to offload cap at that point, but it would be very risky to try...

It is definitely going to show us Leaf fans what kind of mettle the man has. He has the faith of Lieweke obviously...now he has to prove to us how his managerial skills stack up in regards to being considered an 'elite' GM.
Just when everything starts to be looking good on the upswing...aww man...I don't even want to complete the sentence/thought. Let's just let this play out and we'll pass judgement on GM Nonis after these problems are sorted out...one way or another.
- clintyboy

If Nonis can't get Franson and Kadri under contract and under the cap, then I guess we'd have to say that his mistake was in one of 3 possible culprits:

1. His UFA signings.

2. Trading for Bolland.

3. Trading for Bernier.

Personally, I feel he had to sign the players he did. If not Bozak, it would have been somebody else for even more money. Clarkson was a necessary move to make us better in an area we desperately needed: power wingers with some jam.

The Bolland move was decent, especially when you consider we were able to shed Grabo's salary anyway. We get a better option at 3C for over 2 million less.

I guess that leaves us with Bernier. We took on 2.4 million dollars for this upcoming season to address a non-issue. He had better play like the goalie we thought we were getting, or this might be seen as the move that broke us.

If Nonis can't get Franson and Kadri under contract and under the cap, then I guess we'd have to say that his mistake was in one of 3 possible culprits:

1. His UFA signings.

2. Trading for Bolland.

3. Trading for Bernier.

Personally, I feel he had to sign the players he did. If not Bozak, it would have been somebody else for even more money. Clarkson was a necessary move to make us better in an area we desperately needed: power wingers with some jam.

The Bolland move was decent, especially when you consider we were able to shed Grabo's salary anyway. We get a better option at 3C for over 2 million less.

I guess that leaves us with Bernier. We took on 2.4 million dollars for this upcoming season to address a non-issue. He had better play like the goalie we thought we were getting, or this might be seen as the move that broke us.
- Leeman4Gilmour

silliness.
any chance you get to find a potential goaltending gem, you take the risk.

buying out komisarek over liles.....thats another story.

silliness.
any chance you get to find a potential goaltending gem, you take the risk.

buying out komisarek over liles.....
- Barx

Will this goaltending gem give us better numbers than the Reimer/Scrivens tandem? At this point, that's all that matters.

We took on 2.4 million bucks to upgrade in that position, so I'd hope to see a significant improvement. $2.4 could be the margin of Kadri/Franson or no Kadri/Franson.