If Nonis passed on that chance, it's because there was interest in Liles from other teams. No other explanation.
- systemtool

Other than being stuck with Grabovski at 5.5, who has no chemistry with Kessel, was outplayed by Kadri, and would easily be outchecked by Bolland.

Other than being stuck with Grabovski at 5.5, who has no chemistry with Kessel, was outplayed by Kadri, and would easily be outchecked by Bolland.
- The Shrike

Im missing the point you're trying to make...What does Liles have to do with being stuck with Grabo?

I really hope so
- .HOHO.

Come on man. Lets not sit around the sandbox and pretend we all thought of buying out Liles while Nonis was oblivious to the notion.

poop. I didn't realise the season starts tomorrow. Im all excited now. Want to sleep over? We can whisper Leaf talk in bed and have dreams of loling at Nonis.
- systemtool

awesome

The way things have gone I feel (strictly speculation) there is a deal in place for Franson already, he just needs Kadri to sign the dotted line so they can go ahead with Franson. Plenty of time to get done and no one needs to be traded.

Looking at the teams with enough room to offer sheet us.
19. New Jersey Devils » $63,720,834 $3,879,166 24 $0
20. Nashville Predators » $62,862,976 $4,672,024 22 $4,672,024
21. Carolina Hurricanes » $59,425,000 $4,885,000 19 $1,221,250
22. Toronto Maple Leafs » $59,704,167 $4,895,833 21 $2,447,917
23. Phoenix Coyotes » $58,176,667 $6,123,333 21 $3,061,667
24. St. Louis Blues » $57,925,833 $7,624,167 23 $0
25. Calgary Flames » $57,321,250 $7,690,000 24 $0
26. Colorado Avalanche » $58,833,333 $10,289,167 23 $0
27. Buffalo Sabres » $54,645,357 $10,504,643 21 $5,252,322
28. Ottawa Senators » $53,835,833 $11,314,167 22 $11,314,167
29. Florida Panthers » $57,140,375 $11,982,125 24 $0
30. New York Islanders » $49,496,976 $15,653,024 23 $0

STL's remaining salary is basically Peitrangelo's new contract
OTT's internal finance situation sounds like they can't (is this true Yost?)

The rest besides PHX and NJ, will be giving up potentially a top 10 selection. Which I'd take. And you can't even say for sure about NJ on that. Sleep soundly little ones.

Im missing the point you're trying to make...What does Liles have to do with being stuck with Grabo?
- systemtool

If you compliance (only two allowed) buy out Liles and Komi, you can't buy out Grabo.

Is there any rumored money and length for a Kadri offer?

If you compliance (only two allowed) buy out Liles and Komi, you can't buy out Grabo.
- The Shrike

I think what the other poster was saying is that the Leafs should have used one of the regular buyouts on of one of them, where you take a cap hit.

Is there any rumored money and length for a Kadri offer?
- vancity787

8 years 4.5M

Is it safe to say that Phil Kessel is the best RWer the Leafs have ever had, and that if he signs for 8 more years, and ends up being a Leaf for the rest of his career, he will be the all time Leaf point leader.

Is it safe to say that Phil Kessel is the best RWer the Leafs have ever had, and that if he signs for 8 more years, and ends up being a Leaf for the rest of his career, he will be the all time Leaf point leader.
- ThePresident

I would say that's fair

I think what the other poster was saying is that the Leafs should have used one of the regular buyouts on of one of them, where you take a cap hit.
- systemtool

Liles buyout:

2013-14: $875,000
2014-15: $875,000
2015-16: $2,375,000
2016-17: $1,250,000
2017-18: $1,250,000
2018-19: $1,250,000

That would have given the Leafs an extra $3 million in cap space for the first two years, but that still adds up to $7.875 million in total cap space over 6 years. It would be preferable if they could keep that clear, going forward.

Nonis obviously believes he can trade Liles, or someone else, to clear the cap necessary to sign Kadri and Franson. The next month will either prove that assessment right, or wrong.

8 years 4.5M
- Mapleleafs_91

Seems how you can only sign a player for max seven years I'd say you're either being a jerk or have a really shytty source.

Liles buyout:

2013-14: $875,000
2014-15: $875,000
2015-16: $2,375,000
2016-17: $1,250,000
2017-18: $1,250,000
2018-19: $1,250,000

That would have given the Leafs an extra $3 million in cap space for the first two years, but that still adds up to $7.875 million in total cap space over 6 years. It would be preferable if they could keep that clear, going forward.

Nonis obviously believes he can trade Liles, or someone else, to clear the cap necessary to sign Kadri and Franson. The next month will either prove that assessment right, or wrong.
- The Shrike

Why is everyone so psyched to get rid of lilles. Offensivley he can put up really solid numbers. Although im not very familiar with his defensive game...

Why is everyone so psyched to get rid of lilles. Offensivley he can put up really solid numbers. Although im not very familiar with his defensive game...
- vancity787

He just spent time in the press box, so he's viewed as expendable, especially since he's taking up valuable cap space. Liles is good, his concussion is a little worrisome, but he's a pretty good candidate to bounce back. Defensive game is a little suspect though, mostly positional and doesn't get gritty out front.

He just spent time in the press box, so he's viewed as expendable, especially since he's taking up valuable cap space. Liles is good, his concussion is a little worrisome, but he's a pretty good candidate to bounce back. Defensive game is a little suspect though, mostly positional and doesn't get gritty out front.
- Boosinicka

I remember two years ago coming out of the hate he was putting up sick number through the first 30-40 games.

I thought he was a great pickup for the leafs.

I remember two years ago coming out of the hate he was putting up sick number through the first 30-40 games.

I thought he was a great pickup for the leafs.
- vancity787

Me too, I don't think he will be traded though, not many d men putting up 30+ points consecutively. Although with Gardiner's emergence, pretty likely he will be traded at some point.

Agreed. Paying Bernier 2.4 isn't really a huge deal in the big picture. We also couldn't have gone into this season with Scrivens and Reimer again and expect to compete over 82 games. We would have probably had to pay either way, and this was a move with a lot of upside.
- systemtool

Just to be clear, Bernier is making 2.9 this year and next.

The 2.4 figure is the amount above and beyond what we were paying for Scrivens. Bernier makes 1.9 more, plus we retained 500K in salary to make the deal.

Even that 500K is looking like it will have huge cap implications.

Why is everyone so psyched to get rid of lilles. Offensivley he can put up really solid numbers. Although im not very familiar with his defensive game...
- vancity787

Before he got KO'ed, he was arguably our 2nd best defenseman.

Is it safe to say that Phil Kessel is the best RWer the Leafs have ever had, and that if he signs for 8 more years, and ends up being a Leaf for the rest of his career, he will be the all time Leaf point leader.
- ThePresident

After the Kessel trade, I remember arguing with Uggie that Kessel could easily score 500+ career goals. He brought that up every time we conversed in an attempt to make me look stupid or something.

With the benefit of two years production, I think we can safely say that, barring a major injury, there's no way he scores less than 500/1000 in his career.

Seems how you can only sign a player for max seven years I'd say you're either being a jerk or have a really shytty source.
- vancity787

Free agents can be signed max 7 years. Resigning a player can be 8 years

Free agents can be signed max 7 years. Resigning a player can be 8 years
- XxHarounXx

aaahh, my bad. So is was the a legit offer or was the guy screwing me?

Also I'd like to point out. Dan Hamhuis (and yes this is a homer comment) is surprising me that hes not getting a better look by team Canada. Yes, hes at camp. But none of the analysts want him on the team.

Are there better players ahead of him, Absolutely. but do you want five right handers in your lineup? I think that would be a huge mistake. He was exceptional last season. And I think he deserves a better look or atleast more credit for his achievments.

Hilarious, all the know it alls who dont work for an NHL team, or are involved with cap like poop are all know it alls, The New Jersey Devils signing of young forward Adam Henrique to a six year, $24 Million deal on Monday was likely not well-received news by teams that have unsigned restricted free agents, like the Maple Leafs with Nazem Kadri.

The 23 year old struggled in his sophomore season, scoring 11 goals and five assists in 42 games after registering 51 points as a rookie, scoring the series-clinching goal in the 2012 Eastern Conference Final against the New York Rangers and being named a finalist for the Calder Trophy in 2011-12, but Devils GM Lou Lamoriello saw the opportunity to lock up a young promising player to a long term deal with some of the money opened up by the retirement/departure of Ilya Kovalchuk.
Toronto GM Dave Nonis may have some concern that Henrique’s deal will bolster the Kadri camp to ask for a similar long-term deal.

Kadri and Henrique are alike in that they have put up just one season of significant production. The Leafs 2009 first round pick scored only 19 points in 51 games spread over three seasons before getting regular playing time in 2013 under Randy Carlyle and finishing second on the Leafs with 44 points.

Sportsnet FAN 590’s David Alter reported on Sunday that the Leafs and the young center were “still far apart in contract negotiations” and were looking for a deal the same length as Henrique’s in the $5 Million to $6 Million range, but Kadri responded via Twitter that was not the case.

The Leafs are definitely are looking to follow the Matt Duchene / PK Subban model in getting Kadri to take a shorter term “bridge” deal for less money that would be more easy to squeeze in under the $64.3 Million salary cap and prove that 2013 was not a fluke.

If Derek Stepan, Cody Hodgson or Marcus Johansson sign another long-term deal after the expiration of their entry level deals, will Nonis be cornered into giving Kadri a deal he doesn’t want to????
Sounds like blogger read too much HB, let it play out and stfu, not one person here knows much about cap and loop holes and cba and contracts, its so annoying, it was better today when this site was filled with fedoras, atleast everyone knew their place, like be real

Also I'd like to point out. Dan Hamhuis (and yes this is a homer comment) is surprising me that hes not getting a better look by team Canada. Yes, hes at camp. But none of the analysts want him on the team.

Are there better players ahead of him, Absolutely. but do you want five right handers in your lineup? I think that would be a huge mistake. He was exceptional last season. And I think he deserves a better look or atleast more credit for his achievments.
- vancity787

Ya they said that on TSN

Just to be clear, Bernier is making 2.9 this year and next.

The 2.4 figure is the amount above and beyond what we were paying for Scrivens. Bernier makes 1.9 more, plus we retained 500K in salary to make the deal.

Even that 500K is looking like it will have huge cap implications.
- Leeman4Gilmour

MASSIVE