Gee, take your opinion or someone's opininion that actually played and went through the experience..... Hmm. Just like when you called Bill and Homer wrong a few days ago insisting there wasn't any Cap Problems....
- youarewrong

Get your facts straight. I never called Bill wrong, nor did Paul Holmgren state that the team has Cap problems. Feel free to provide any evidence to back that up.

She had a rough day, and she hates the (frank)in' Eagles, man

http://dangerousminds.net...r_listening_to_the_eagles

Get your facts straight. I never called Bill wrong, nor did Paul Holmgren state that the team has Cap problems. Feel free to provide any evidence to back that up.
- MJL

Sure. Paul Homlgren said the reason Cleary wasn't a Flyer right now is because they didn't have the Cap space to sign him.

Paul said it. Bill quoted it. And you still said it didn't happen.

Feels like a "Never back down" sequel in here

Sure. Paul Homlgren said the reason Cleary wasn't a Flyer right now is because they didn't have the Cap space to sign him.

Paul said it. Bill quoted it. And you still said it didn't happen.
- youarewrong

Holmgren did in fact state that they could not immediately offer Cleary a contract, due to Cap space. That they would have to wait until day 1 of the Season. That is not a Cap problem. Every team in the NHL is limited by the Salary Cap. You can't sign an unlimited amount of players, for an unlimited amount of money. That's the whole point of the Cap. Having a Cap problem is not being able to re-sign your top players due to not having Cap space. Or not being able to put a quality team on the ice due to Cap issues. None of that is the case with the Flyers.

Again, back up your statements. Show me where I said that didn't happen. Or just go on attributing false statements to me.

Get your facts straight. I never called Bill wrong, nor did Paul Holmgren state that the team has Cap problems. Feel free to provide any evidence to back that up.
- MJL

I bet the letters "F" "A" "C" "T" are worn out on your key board.

As Maya Angelou once wrote. "There's a world of Difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure the truth." And that is a fact.

Good night.

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- ggunky

Bump

She had a rough day, and she hates the (frank)in' Eagles, man

http://dangerousminds.net...r_listening_to_the_eagles
- Jsaquella

She stabbed him with that steely knife but she just couldn’t kill the beast?

youarewrong & MJL let it go and move on.

Which young guy is gonna impress tonight?!

Holmgren did in fact state that they could not immediately offer Cleary a contract, due to Cap space. That they would have to wait until day 1 of the Season. That is not a Cap problem. Every team in the NHL is limited by the Salary Cap. You can't sign an unlimited amount of players, for an unlimited amount of money. That's the whole point of the Cap. Having a Cap problem is not being able to re-sign your top players due to not having Cap space. Or not being able to put a quality team on the ice due to Cap issues. None of that is the case with the Flyers.

Again, back up your statements. Show me where I said that didn't happen. Or just go on attributing false statements to me.
- MJL

Having Cap Problems is trying to fill your 3rd left wing spot with a stanley cup winning vet, and losing him because you can't immediately sign him because you dont have the cap space. Cheers and peace.

Which young guy is gonna impress tonight?!
- justahockeyguy2

Hopefully all

Anyone know why Meet the Flyers isn't on?

Hopefully all
- funmaster18

Didn't get to see any of the games. But hearing lots of good things about Morin.

Having Cap Problems is trying to fill your 3rd left wing spot with a stanley cup winning vet, and losing him because you can't immediately sign him because you dont have the cap space. Cheers and peace.
- youarewrong

I still don't buy that ... Cleary took a lot less than the Flyers were offering him to go back to the Wings. That is where he wanted to be! If he would have rather played for the Flyers over the Wings he would be playing for Philly in these preseason games right now!

Hopefully all
- funmaster18

I really want to see Straka and Akeson keep it up.

She stabbed him with that steely knife but she just couldn’t kill the beast?


- tangent_man

Is Haag in camp?

I still don't buy that ... Cleary took a lot less than the Flyers were offering him to go back to the Wings. That is where he wanted to be! If he would have rather played for the Flyers over the Wings he would be playing for Philly in these preseason games right now!
- Cable2k

Holmgren did come out and say that the rumored deal wasn't true. Cleary also said that the he never discussed actual money with the Flyers. But I agree, there is no doubt that Cleary wanted to be with the Red Wings all along. And the Flyers already have a Cup winning veteran for the 3rd line spot in Talbot, as well as some solid options for the 4th line spot. So there clearly isn't any Cap issues. You can't sign every player that comes along. That's the whole point of the Cap.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you've said here. But the narrative that was suggested that players who were drafted lower, or signed as undrafted free agents don't succeed, because they don't get the same attention at players who were drafted higher, is false in my opinion. They definitely get enough attention given them to succeed, just not from the same sources. As I posted earlier, in training Camp, an NHL Head Coaches job is to get the team ready to play the Season. He couldn't possibly devote the same attention to every player, obviously. Nor can the GM. That's why there are other positions in the Organization to help oversee player development. As well as AHL Coaches who will devote the attention necessary to players who will not make the NHL team.
- MJL

I think the original point was that if the undrafted players all got the same level of attention/opportunity as the top picks, that many more of them would make NHL rosters than what we see under the current system. And that seems logical to me. I think the high draft picks would still, as a group, outperform the undrafted kids. But there's no doubt that more undrafted kids would make it if they got the same opportunity/assistance as the high picks. It just isn't feasible under the current draft rules, contract limits, etc., etc.

So I don't think the OP is wrong (nor is Bourne who experienced this phenomenon first hand) when they claim that if everyone got the same treatment more undrafted kids would make it. The simple fact is that it just isn't practical (or cost effective) to give everyone the same treatment. Somehow you have to evaluate and rank your players, and then allocate your limited resources among those you feel are most likely to succeed.

Didn't get to see any of the games. But hearing lots of good things about Morin.
- MJL

I watched last nights on the webcast and thought he didn't look out of place for a guy as young as he. Showed a lot of initiative jumping into the offensive play and getting into the dirty areas. In really interested to see how he follows it up tonight before I get too excited, though. Either way, looks like a solid pick (though you wouldn't have guessed by the knee jerk reaction by some here on draft day)

I really want to see Straka and Akeson keep it up.
- justahockeyguy2

I have to say I am pleasantly surprised by some of these guys. I think based on the games I've watched that the B squad looked better, but I'm slightly biased since I was more excited to see guys like vinny, emery, Streit and morin at this point.

I did really like what I saw out of Laughton and cousins on the a squad.

I think the original point was that if the undrafted players all got the same level of attention/opportunity as the top picks that many more of them would make NHL rosters than what we see under the current system. And that seems logical to me. I think the high draft picks would still, as a group, outperform the undrafted kids. But there's no doubt that more undrafted kids would make it if they got the same opportunity/assistance as the high picks. It just isn't feasible under the current draft rules, contract limits, etc., etc.

So I don't think the OP is wrong (nor is Bourne who experienced this phenomenon first hand) when they claim that if everyone got the same treatment more undrafted kids would make it. The simple fact is that it just isn't practical (or cost effective) to give everyone the same treatment. Somehow you have to evaluate and rank your players, and then allocate your limited resources among those you feel are most likely to succeed.
- BringBack25

I don't feel that is the case, that's why I said so. There seems to be the belief that because they don't get the same attention at the NHL level, that they're being overlooked. I disagree with that. NHL teams have qualified professional talent evaluators and Coaches staffed throughout the Organization. They don't get the same opportunities, because they don't earn them. Not because they're not given them, because they're un-drafted, or were a low draft pick. Justin Bourne didn't make the NHL simply because he wasn't good enough.
Certainly mistakes are made. And there are outliers. You could argue that a kid like Sharpe was overlooked and not given enough of a chance with the Flyers. But players who have the ability to be an NHL player, usually find their way there. One way or another. One person's perceived experience doesn't set the standard for everyone.

I have to say I am pleasantly surprised by some of these guys. I think based on the games I've watched that the B squad looked better, but I'm slightly biased since I was more excited to see guys like vinny, emery, Streit and morin at this point.
- funmaster18

I agree. B squad looked very good. Definitely like how Simmer and Vinny looked last night. Now Hartsy is going to be on the same line tonight.. should be exciting

I watched last nights on the webcast and thought he didn't look out of place for a guy as young as he. Showed a lot of initiative jumping into the offensive play and getting into the dirty areas. In really interested to see how he follows it up tonight before I get too excited, though. Either way, looks like a solid pick (though you wouldn't have guessed by the knee jerk reaction by some here on draft day)
- funmaster18

Yea, the reports are really encouraging. And he's still a kid with lots of room for growth. Both in terms of refining his play, and physical growth. Can't teach 6'6"