i see mention in other threads that kessel was losing his cool last night, i didn't see anyone mention it in here

anything entertaining?
- -davies-

saw him get a bit testy with the twig on the tsn highlight video.

Please learn the difference between a comparison and an example. I wasn't compairing Renberg to Akeson. I was giving an example of a rookie getting the chance to play with a top line. See the difference?
- youarewrong

There is no difference. You can't ignore the reason why a Rookie is given the chance to play on a top line. Renberg was given the chance because he was obviously capable of playing on an NHL top line as a Rookie. Akeson is not. Which why the suggestion doesn't make a lot of sense.

Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Renberg all played on an NHL top line as Rookies. Those are also "examples" of rookies playing on a top line. So why not Akeson? Is that your point?

from nbcsports.com -

Goalies don’t usually trade barbs, but if it’s going to happen, it might as well come among local rivals. That seems to be the case between Martin Brodeur and Henrik Lundqvist, as Brodeur seemingly accused Lundqvist of wearing pads for more than just protection, as the Bergen Record reported on Saturday.

“There’s goalies — I won’t name names, but they’re not too far — they have different padding that it’s not about protection,” Brodeur said.

How subtle.

The New York Rangers star netminder shook off the future New Jersey Devils Hall of Famer in Monday’s edition of the New York Post.

“I know people have thought that I look big out there, but that’s never been an issue with me,” Lundqvist said. “I know I’m ‘not too far,’ but I don’t know what he’s talking about.”

from nbcsports.com -

Goalies don’t usually trade barbs, but if it’s going to happen, it might as well come among local rivals. That seems to be the case between Martin Brodeur and Henrik Lundqvist, as Brodeur seemingly accused Lundqvist of wearing pads for more than just protection, as the Bergen Record reported on Saturday.

“There’s goalies — I won’t name names, but they’re not too far — they have different padding that it’s not about protection,” Brodeur said.

How subtle.

The New York Rangers star netminder shook off the future New Jersey Devils Hall of Famer in Monday’s edition of the New York Post.

“I know people have thought that I look big out there, but that’s never been an issue with me,” Lundqvist said. “I know I’m ‘not too far,’ but I don’t know what he’s talking about.”
- hammarby31

well you know I've always felt that Lundqvist had oversized pads

saw him get a bit testy with the twig on the tsn highlight video.
- hammarby31

That Kessel trade isn't looking AS bad as it once did.

well you know I've always felt that Lundqvist had oversized pads
- nastyflyergirl

i don't call him CSP for nothing. i used to call him CLP. but then the shoulders just became too overwhelming, i had to change the name.

well you know I've always felt that Lundqvist had oversized pads
- nastyflyergirl

Briere and G still found the 5-hole in the shootout though.

There is no difference. You can't ignore the reason why a Rookie is given the chance to play on a top line. Renberg was given the chance because he was obviously capable of playing on an NHL top line as a Rookie. Akeson is not. Which why the suggestion doesn't make a lot of sense.
- MJL

Whatever you say. Obviously your going to use this as your soapbox for the day, but I'm not going to play into it. Maybe you disapear after a while...

There is no difference. You can't ignore the reason why a Rookie is given the chance to play on a top line. Renberg was given the chance because he was obviously capable of playing on an NHL top line as a Rookie. Akeson is not. Which why the suggestion doesn't make a lot of sense.
- MJL

I think he's a better fit for the top line than McGinn was as a rookie last year when he got top line minutes. Granted, a decimated lineup helped it along, but still, I'd think Akeson is better suited for it. Not saying Akeson should be on the top line, but it's not out of the realm of possibility if a player like McGinn can do it.

Morin did a great job imo and he broke up a posaible odd man rush spinning a 180 with a perfect pass to vinny for the tying goal he really showed a veteren like poise not impressed with raffl

Akeson played 1 game in a Flyers uniform last year. So what are you basing that they played well together on, one game? Akeson may never be an NHL player, let alone a first line Winger.
- MJL

But you're totally willing to slap Scott Laughton into 3LW based on five games in the NHL? Seriously?

Jason Akeson has at least played against men for two seasons in the minors -- but he might never be an NHL player, let alone a first-line winger...but you're going to pitch a fit if Scott Laughton goes back to junior?

See, right there is the bias that undrafted players have to go through to even get a shot at playing in the NHL -- I guarantee you that if Jason Akeson had been drafted 20th overall, you'd be dying to have him on the top line, with his offensive skills, while if Scott Laughton was the undrafted player, you'd be wondering how anybody is giving a 19-year-old a roster slot while he has junior eligibility remaining.

I think he's a better fit for the top line than McGinn was as a rookie last year when he got top line minutes. Granted, a decimated lineup helped it along, but still, I'd think Akeson is better suited for it. Not saying Akeson should be on the top line, but it's not out of the realm of possibility if a player like McGinn can do it.
- jmatchett383

I would agree that Akeson would be a better fit on a top line then McGinn. We both know that McGinn is not a top line player, and doesn't beleong there. I think we also know that neither player belongs on the top line. If they are, then you don't have a very good team. You put any player anywhere in the lineup. Just throw him out there. I wouldn't categorize McGinn as doing it. He was cleary out of place.

i see mention in other threads that kessel was losing his cool last night, i didn't see anyone mention it in here

anything entertaining?
- -davies-

Kessel got into a shoving/crosschecking/jousting match with Ben Holstrom and sort of took the worst of it. Once the penalties were announced he got an extra two minutes and was not happy about it. He was jawing at the ref on the way to the box. That's all I saw.

But you're totally willing to slap Scott Laughton into 3LW based on five games in the NHL? Seriously?

Jason Akeson has at least played against men for two seasons in the minors -- but he might never be an NHL player, let alone a first-line winger...but you're going to pitch a fit if Scott Laughton goes back to junior?

See, right there is the bias that undrafted players have to go through to even get a shot at playing in the NHL -- I guarantee you that if Jason Akeson had been drafted 20th overall, you'd be dying to have him on the top line, with his offensive skills, while if Scott Laughton was the undrafted player, you'd be wondering how anybody is giving a 19-year-old a roster slot while he has junior eligibility remaining.
- AllInForFlyers

First of all, I never once stated that I wanted Laughton on the 3rd line. I've been touting him for a 4th line spot. Secondly, I've stated that if Laughton shows that he is NHL ready, he belongs on the team. So it's clear, you don't have your facts straight on what I've stated on the Laughton situation.
Akeson is older then Laughton, so not sure why Akeson playing in the AHl for two Seasons matters. One of those Seasons he started in the ECHL. Akeson was signed as an undrafted Free Agent. Laughton was a first round draft pick.

So what you're saying is that Akeson had the skill and physical tools to be a first round pick, rather then a undrafted Free Agent, I would hold him in higher regard as a player? Then I'd be in the same boat as the team that drafted him, and the consensus of where the player ranked among the draft pundits.

Briere and G still found the 5-hole in the shootout though.
- PhillySportsGuy

But you're totally willing to slap Scott Laughton into 3LW based on five games in the NHL? Seriously?

Jason Akeson has at least played against men for two seasons in the minors -- but he might never be an NHL player, let alone a first-line winger...but you're going to pitch a fit if Scott Laughton goes back to junior?

See, right there is the bias that undrafted players have to go through to even get a shot at playing in the NHL -- I guarantee you that if Jason Akeson had been drafted 20th overall, you'd be dying to have him on the top line, with his offensive skills, while if Scott Laughton was the undrafted player, you'd be wondering how anybody is giving a 19-year-old a roster slot while he has junior eligibility remaining.
- AllInForFlyers

I think a lot of it has to do with size and speed. Akeson is below average in both. Those are two major hurdles to climb to be successful in the NHL.

- hammarby31

I still can't believe the Flyers won that game. If the Flyers had 10 shootouts against lundqvist, they'd lose 9.

First of all, I never once stated that I wanted Laughton on the 3rd line. I've been touting him for a 4th line spot. Secondly, I've stated that if Laughton shows that he is NHL ready, he belongs on the team. So it's clear, you don't have your facts straight on what I've stated on the Laughton situation.
Akeson is older then Laughton, so not sure why Akeson playing in the AHl for two Seasons matters. One of those Seasons he started in the ECHL. Akeson was signed as an undrafted Free Agent. Laughton was a first round draft pick.

So what you're saying is that Akeson had the skill and physical tools to be a first round pick, rather then a undrafted Free Agent, I would hold him in higher regard as a player? Seriously? No kidding. Then I'd be in the same boat as the team that drafted him, and the consensus of where the player ranked among the draft pundits.
- MJL

Who cares about what draft pundits think? If draft pundits knew anything, Henrik Zetterberg wouldn't have been drafted in the sixth round.

My point is this: You have relentlessly pimped Scott Laughton for a roster spot "if he's ready." But what if Jason Akeson's ready? What if Nick Cousins is ready?

You totally dismissed Akeson's ability to even play in the NHL -- for what reason? No reason. Other than there are some guys who "consensus" says should be able to play.

Nick Cousins can't be ready though -- he needs "to work on his defense."

Maybe Scott Laughton needs to work on his offense.

See what I did there?

I would agree that Akeson would be a better fit on a top line then McGinn. We both know that McGinn is not a top line player, and doesn't beleong there. I think we also know that neither player belongs on the top line. If they are, then you don't have a very good team. You put any player anywhere in the lineup. Just throw him out there. I wouldn't categorize McGinn as doing it. He was cleary out of place.
- MJL

I do realize this, and therein lies my problem with Akeson. Obviously a very talented player, but I don't think he's ever going to turn into a top-6 player with the Flyers. Is there a team out there (Nashville maybe, or Florida) that could maybe find him a scoring line role in return for a decent D/G prospect or mid-round (3rd/4th) pick? I don't want to see another Sharp for Ellison deal, but I don't think he's ever going to get a legit shot here.

- hammarby31

Clearly 5-hole.

Morin did a great job imo and he broke up a posaible odd man rush spinning a 180 with a perfect pass to vinny for the tying goal he really showed a veteren like poise not impressed with raffl
- mydoglicks

I thought Morin did some good things on the ice, but had a few little mishaps that all rookies do (i.e. the pass across the point to Streit on the PP that went out of the zone.

Nick Cousins can't be ready though -- he needs "to work on his defense."

Maybe Scott Laughton needs to work on his offense.

See what I did there?
- AllInForFlyers

I'm not trying to pick sides but there is a big difference between working on your offense while playing on the 4th line and working on your defense while playing top 6 minutes.

Nick Cousins can't be ready though -- he needs "to work on his defense."

Maybe Scott Laughton needs to work on his offense.

See what I did there?
- AllInForFlyers

I think Cousins needs to work on his defense because he's not expected to be an offensively-minded player at the pro level. And I think Akeson needs to work on his play away from the puck as well as his skating before getting a full-time spot (if he ever does).

The general thinking is that most junior players need to be sound defensively to not be a liability in the NHL, and have the scoring come to them gradually (unless you're a Crosby/Stamkos/etc). As far as that goes, Laughton is the most "NHL-ready" forward prospect.

I still can't believe the Flyers won that game. If the Flyers had 10 shootouts against lundqvist, they'd lose 9.
- PhillySportsGuy

the rangers shooters - kind of a strange list: christensen, parentau, jokinen. fonzi might have gone with a different list on shootouts 2-10.

and yes, still ridiculous how it all ended, especially considering much-maligned matt carle scored the tying goal in the 3rd period to send it to OT.

(frank) the rangers. good lord do i hate that (frank)ing team.