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- MJL

I'd be giving Holmes a lot of scratch if Zeppelin ever does a reunion tour

That's one show I'd shell out a ton of cash for.

800 posts on a preseason game day? Wow! What'd I miss...wait, what?

Music is music, but when you blatantly steal another artist's song and give him no credit, then you're an bumhole...no matter how talented a musician you are.

And I love Zeppelin. Fantastically talented band. But thieving twats
- Jsaquella

No I haven't avoided answering it. I answered it directly here. Which was at 6:52 PM. In which I made this exact statement.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...?thread_id=109634&page=25

"I don't agree that giving them the same level of attention, would mean that more of them would make the NHL."

I disagree with you. And you are misreading what I've said. I haven't stated that those players are beyond help. And that's the 3rd time I've stated that to you. That is what you're attributing to me incorrectly. Those players get all the attention and coaching they need at the lower levels to make the NHL. I've expressed my opinion multiple times. If you want to think it says what it doesn't. I can't control that.
- MJL

OK then, we'll disagree. I don't equate "getting all the attention they need at the lower levels" to "getting the same advantages as high draft picks". You clearly did say that, but I don't consider those two things equal. In any case, I'm done with this debate.

Besides, it's clearly time to start panicking over the lack of improved defensive play and the fact that all our goalies give up momentum crushing goals late in the period.

I just thought I'd point out that at the end of that last game we had 4 Adam Halls on the ice at the same time that they had 6 skaters, including 3 David McIlraths, on. I'm pretty sure that breaks like, all of the rules.

- Moose_15

60s bands were delving heavily into other music and changing it into what we all now call rock and roll. some of it was awesome.. some of it was okay/boring.




bye

60s bands were delving heavily into other music and changing it into what we all now call rock and roll. some of it was awesome.. some of it was okay/boring.




bye
- -davies-

Agreed. This particularly describes my feelings on Led Zeppelin.

Bring back pitbull


- Jsaquella

I approve of this message.

I took it as saying, "At least Jay Feaster is worse," rather than, "I'd rather have Jay Feaster." We require clarification, Mr. Hawk.
- BulliesPhan87

Sorry for the confusion, you're right, that was sarcasm.

Sorry for the confusion, you're right, that was sarcasm.
- Tomahawk

I'm pretty good at sarcasm.


Sometimes.

OK then, we'll disagree. I don't equate "getting all the attention they need at the lower levels" to "getting the same advantages as high draft picks". You clearly did say that, but I don't consider those two things equal. In any case, I'm done with this debate.

Besides, it's clearly time to start panicking over the lack of improved defensive play and the fact that all our goalies give up momentum crushing goals late in the period.
- BringBack25

Seriously, though, if you really want to discuss the matter, obviously, I believe what you have said.

It's always been that way, but last year's injuries on defense confirmed it, once again.

Oliver Lauridsen. Seventh-round draft choice in 2009. Now 24 years old, turns 25 next March.

Ranked 8th in The Hockey News' Top 10 of Flyers prospects in Spring 2013.
Ranked 4th in The Hockey News' Top 10 of Flyers prospects in Spring 2012.
Was unranked in The Hockey News' Top 10 of Flyers prospects in Spring 2011.

It's fair to say that not many of us had Oliver Lauridsen on our radar, as fans. But even more importantly -- because I'm a nerd like that -- it's fair to say that Flyers themselves didn't have Lauridsen on their radar, truly on their radar, as an organization.

How do I know this? Because he was on the third pairing in Adirondack -- and I know that because I watched, oh, 15 or so Phantoms games last year. Because I'm nerdy like that. But guys like Brandon Manning and Danny Syvret and Erik Gustafsson and Marc-Andre Bourdon (the latter two when healthy) and Cullen Eddy were getting the heavy minutes down on the farm.

I can say this because I did watch as many Phantoms games as I did: It wasn't like Lauridsen got better as the season went on. He was the same player in the first month as I saw in the third month as I saw in the fifth month.

My point: How many injuries did it take on the Flyers defense for 7th-round draft pick Oliver Lauridsen to get a call up? How many bodies did the Flyers go through before Lauridsen got into one regular-season game?

I ask this question for this reason: Lauridsen was well on pace to not even get offered a contract by the Flyers organization for this season if all those injuries hadn't taken place. He literally would've drifted out of the organization without ever being taken seriously as to whether he could play or not.

It was always "slow feet" and "he needs to work on his play with the puck" and "he needs to work on his decision-making." All the stuff that you slap on a 7th-rounder that becomes fact...that is, until you call the guy up and actually see that he can skate and probably can play at the NHL level. Not saying he's great. Not even saying he's good.

But please, nobody tell me that Oliver Lauridsen got the same opportunities to make the roster as former 2008 first-round draft pick Luca Sbisa, who the Flyers were so enamored with, they had him playing left wing, for God's sake, simply because they couldn't bear to send him back to junior.

Because that didn't happen. It rarely happens for guys like Lauridsen and Jason Akeson and so on and so forth. You might not even get a shot, let alone get a fair shot.

That's why Marc-Andre Bourdon, 2008 3rd-rounder, is walking around today after suffering multiple concussions in 7 months: Because he knew the deal. He knew that a third-rounder who makes his NHL debut four years after being drafted as an injury call-up had better do everything possible on God's Green Earth to stay in the lineup.

Whereas, again, first-round pick Luca Sbisa didn't even have to play defense to get into the Flyers lineup.

It's ridiculous. It's happened before, and will happen again. But let's not pretend that it's a) Fair, B) Accurate, and C) Always Yields Best Results.

Because it doesn't.

Seriously, though, if you really want to discuss the matter, obviously, I believe what you have said.

It's always been that way, but last year's injuries on defense confirmed it, once again.

Oliver Lauridsen. Seventh-round draft choice in 2009. Now 24 years old, turns 25 next March.

Ranked 8th in The Hockey News' Top 10 of Flyers prospects in Spring 2013.
Ranked 4th in The Hockey News' Top 10 of Flyers prospects in Spring 2012.
Was unranked in The Hockey News' Top 10 of Flyers prospects in Spring 2011.

It's fair to say that not many of us had Oliver Lauridsen on our radar, as fans. But even more importantly -- because I'm a nerd like that -- it's fair to say that Flyers themselves didn't have Lauridsen on their radar, truly on their radar, as an organization.

How do I know this? Because he was on the third pairing in Adirondack -- and I know that because I watched, oh, 15 or so Phantoms games last year. Because I'm nerdy like that. But guys like Brandon Manning and Danny Syvret and Erik Gustafsson and Marc-Andre Bourdon (the latter two when healthy) and Cullen Eddy were getting the heavy minutes down on the farm.

I can say this because I did watch as many Phantoms games as I did: It wasn't like Lauridsen got better as the season went on. He was the same player in the first month as I saw in the third month as I saw in the fifth month.

My point: How many injuries did it take on the Flyers defense for 7th-round draft pick Oliver Lauridsen to get a call up? How many bodies did the Flyers go through before Lauridsen got into one regular-season game?

I ask this question for this reason: Lauridsen was well on pace to not even get offered a contract by the Flyers organization for this season if all those injuries hadn't taken place. He literally would've drifted out of the organization without ever being taken seriously as to whether he could play or not.

It was always "slow feet" and "he needs to work on his play with the puck" and "he needs to work on his decision-making." All the stuff that you slap on a 7th-rounder that becomes fact...that is, until you call the guy up and actually see that he can skate and probably can play at the NHL level. Not saying he's great. Not even saying he's good.

But please, nobody tell me that Oliver Lauridsen got the same opportunities to make the roster as former 2008 first-round draft pick Luca Sbisa, who the Flyers were so enamored with, they had him playing left wing, for God's sake, simply because they couldn't bear to send him back to junior.

Because that didn't happen. It rarely happens for guys like Lauridsen and Jason Akeson and so on and so forth. You might not even get a shot, let alone get a fair shot.

That's why Marc-Andre Bourdon, 2008 3rd-rounder, is walking around today after suffering multiple concussions in 7 months: Because he knew the deal. He knew that a third-rounder who makes his NHL debut four years after being drafted as an injury call-up had better do everything possible on God's Green Earth to stay in the lineup.

Whereas, again, first-round pick Luca Sbisa didn't even have to play defense to get into the Flyers lineup.

It's ridiculous. It's happened before, and will happen again. But let's not pretend that it's a) Fair, B) Accurate, and C) Always Yields Best Results.

Because it doesn't.
- AllInForFlyers

I agree it is ridiculous. So Oliver Lauridsen was on the 3rd pair in Adirondack, and all that stuff that Lauridsen needed to work on, was just stuff slapped on him, because he was a 7th round draft pick. None of it was actually true? None of it had anything to do with his actual level of play? Lauridsen got the call up because he earned it with his play. And he has risen up the depth chart into the picture, because he earned it with his play. And where are you getting this information from that the Flyers weren't going to offer him a contract? I'd like to see some evidence to substantiate that. The other defenseman were playing ahead of Lauridsen, because they were better players at the time. Ice time is earned. Sbisa got more of an opportunity then Laurdisen coming right out of the draft, because he was a better player then Lauridsen was. Hence why he was a 1st round pick, and Lauridsen was a 7th round pick.
In fact, Lauridsen is proof that the entire premise you offer is false.
NHL players have been playing through concussions and hiding symptoms from teams since forever. Bourdon's situation has zero to do with the premise you suggest. Want more evidence of what opportunity the Flyers were willing to give Bourdon? They signed him to a contract that is one way this year. A team doesn't do that if they aren't going to invest in a player.

I agree it is ridiculous. So Oliver Lauridsen was on the 3rd pair in Adirondack, and all that stuff that Lauridsen needed to work on, was just stuff slapped on him, because he was a 7th round draft pick. None of it was actually true? None of it had anything to do with his actual level of play? Lauridsen got the call up because he earned it with his play. And he has risen up the depth chart into the picture, because he earned it with his play. And where are you getting this information from that the Flyers weren't going to offer him a contract? I'd like to see some evidence to substantiate that. The other defenseman were playing ahead of Lauridsen, because they were better players at the time. Ice time is earned. Sbisa got more of an opportunity then Laurdisen coming right out of the draft, because he was a better player then Lauridsen was. Hence why he was a 1st round pick, and Lauridsen was a 7th round pick.
In fact, Lauridsen is proof that the entire premise you offer is false.
NHL players have been playing through concussions and hiding symptoms from teams since forever. Bourdon's situation has zero to do with the premise you suggest. Want more evidence of what opportunity the Flyers were willing to give Bourdon? They signed him to a contract that is one way this year. A team doesn't do that if they aren't going to invest in a player.
- MJL

First of all, I followed the Phantoms through two of their beat writers all last season, in addition to watching the games that I did, as well as another 10-15 on the radio. Both of them reported at various times that Lauridsen felt like he was never going to get a shot with the Flyers and that he didn't know what else he could do with the organization. Just because you don't read other sources doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

You don't really believe that Oliver Lauridsen got called up because of his level of play. If you do, then really, you can't be helped. His level of play didn't change over the course of last season. What changed was that Braydon Coburn and Niklas Grossmann suffered season-ending injuries after the trade deadline, Andrej Meszaros returned and almost immediately went back on IR for the season at the same time Coburn did, Kimmo Timonen was shut down and the Flyers were out of contention. So even if those injuries had taken place before the trade deadline, the Flyers were unwilling to deal significant draft picks/assets for replacements.

Remember, Kent Huskins was acquired for future considerations.

That's how you wind up with a pairings of Lauridsen-Schenn and Matt Konan-Brandon Manning, with Huskins-Bruno Gervais.

I know you truly believe that you are an expert on all things Flyers-related, MJL, and you are entitled to your beliefs. But, again, just because you take a position doesn't mean you are, indeed, knowledgeable. Otherwise, you would man up and admit that you have no idea what has been written about Oliver Lauridsen prior to his recall to the Flyers last year.

Because make no mistake: I do.

First of all, I followed the Phantoms through two of their beat writers all last season, in addition to watching the games that I did, as well as another 10-15 on the radio. Both of them reported at various times that Lauridsen felt like he was never going to get a shot with the Flyers and that he didn't know what else he could do with the organization. Just because you don't read other sources doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.


- AllInForFlyers

Feel free to provide links to that information. Seems like hearsay to me. And regardless of what Lauridsen felt, he was obviously wrong. And this is only one player.

You don't really believe that Oliver Lauridsen got called up because of his level of play. If you do, then really, you can't be helped. His level of play didn't change over the course of last season. What changed was that Braydon Coburn and Niklas Grossmann suffered season-ending injuries after the trade deadline, Andrej Meszaros returned and almost immediately went back on IR for the season at the same time Coburn did, Kimmo Timonen was shut down and the Flyers were out of contention. So even if those injuries had taken place before the trade deadline, the Flyers were unwilling to deal significant draft picks/assets for replacements.

Remember, Kent Huskins was acquired for future considerations.



That's how you wind up with a pairings of Lauridsen-Schenn and Matt Konan-Brandon Manning, with Huskins-Bruno Gervais.

I know you truly believe that you are an expert on all things Flyers-related, MJL, and you are entitled to your beliefs. But, again, just because you take a position doesn't mean you are, indeed, knowledgeable. Otherwise, you would man up and admit that you have no idea what has been written about Oliver Lauridsen prior to his recall to the Flyers last year.

Because make no mistake: I do.
- AllInForFlyers

I did not state that he got called up due to his level of play. And I strongly disagree that his level of playdidn't change. It absolutely did, or the Flyers wouldn't have called him up when they needed some injury replacements.
Your focused on one player. And like I said, feel free to provide links to what you claim was written about Lauridsen, and I'll be glad to read it. What I do know is what the Flyers GM and Coaches said about Lauridsen. And if you asked them, I bet they'd tell you that Lauridsen took big steps last Season in improving his game, and became closer to an NHL player. But you claim that his game didn't change.

Feel free to provide links to that information. Seems like hearsay to me. And regardless of what Lauridsen felt, he was obviously wrong. And this is only one player.





I did not state that he got called up due to his level of play. And I strongly disagree that his level of playdidn't change. It absolutely did, or the Flyers wouldn't have called him up when they needed some injury replacements.
Your focused on one player. And like I said, feel free to provide links to what you claim was written about Lauridsen, and I'll be glad to read it. What I do know is what the Flyers GM and Coaches said about Lauridsen. And if you asked them, I bet they'd tell you that Lauridsen took big steps last Season in improving his game, and became closer to an NHL player. But you claim that his game didn't change.
- MJL

Are you on some kind of drugs? What makes you think I'm going to do your research work for you when I've already read the stories and know what I'm talking about?

You are the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. Therefore, YOU need to be the one to take the initiative and look it up -- the Internet is your friend, MJL! If you want to know what I already read, LOOK IT UP.

Newspapers don't purge their archives just because you haven't read the stories. Look and you will find them.

Are you on some kind of drugs? What makes you think I'm going to do your research work for you when I've already read the stories and know what I'm talking about?

You are the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. Therefore, YOU need to be the one to take the initiative and look it up -- the Internet is your friend, MJL! If you want to know what I already read, LOOK IT UP.

Newspapers don't purge their archives just because you haven't read the stories. Look and you will find them.
- AllInForFlyers

Instead of using newspapers, and other sources that you claim to have, but won't produce. Let's look at some true factual information. When a team needs to call up a player or players, due to injuries, how do they choose who to call up? Do they just place names in a hat and pick one out? Or is it done on merit. Who they think is playing well, and has earned a call up with his play at lower levels? I think the answer to that is obvious.
So other then Gustafsson, who had a chance to make the team out of camp, but was injured, and the veteran Lilja. The Flyers called up 3 young defenseman who haven't had a lot of looks at the NHL level. Lauridsen, Manning, and Konan, when the injuries to the defense piled up last year. So who was called up first, and who played the most games out of the 3? Lauridsen did. Lauridsen was called up on 3/29. Manning on 4/16, and Konan on 4/22. Lauridsen played 15 games, Manning 6 games, and Konan played 2 games. So are you going to tell me , that doesn't suggest that Lauridsen moved up the depth chart on the Flyers defense through the course of last Season, with his play in the AHL? And then further solidified his movement up the depth cahrt, when given the opportunity that he he earned, with his play in the NHL? That the Flyers decided to call up, as you put it, the 3rd pair AHL defenseman, who hasn't been given a shot, and whose game hasn't changed all year, first? Not likely. And if you need links to confirm the information I've provided here. I'll be glad to provide that to you.

Instead of using newspapers, and other sources that you claim to have, but won't produce. Let's look at some true factual information. When a team needs to call up a player or players, due to injuries, how do they choose who to call up? Do they just place names in a hat and pick one out? Or is it done on merit. Who they think is playing well, and has earned a call up with his play at lower levels? I think the answer to that is obvious.
So other then Gustafsson, who had a chance to make the team out of camp, but was injured, and the veteran Lilja. The Flyers called up 3 young defenseman who haven't had a lot of looks at the NHL level. Lauridsen, Manning, and Konan, when the injuries to the defense piled up last year. So who was called up first, and who played the most games out of the 3? Lauridsen did. Lauridsen was called up on 3/29. Manning on 4/16, and Konan on 4/22. Lauridsen played 15 games, Manning 6 games, and Konan played 2 games. So are you going to tell me , that doesn't suggest that Lauridsen moved up the depth chart on the Flyers defense through the course of last Season, with his play in the AHL? And then further solidified his movement up the depth cahrt, when given the opportunity that he he earned, with his play in the NHL? That the Flyers decided to call up, as you put it, the 3rd pair AHL defenseman, who hasn't been given a shot, and whose game hasn't changed all year, first? Not likely. And if you need links to confirm the information I've provided here. I'll be glad to provide that to you.
- MJL

They called up Lauridsen because he was the biggest defenseman the Phantoms had, MJL. Seriously. That was the reason. Because Grossmann and Coburn both got hurt. They wanted a defensive defenseman with size.

You shouldn't delude yourself into thinking otherwise, but you will.

They called up Lauridsen because he was the biggest defenseman the Phantoms had, MJL. Seriously. That was the reason. Because Grossmann and Coburn both got hurt. They wanted a defensive defenseman with size.

You shouldn't delude yourself into thinking otherwise, but you will.
- AllInForFlyers

So if a defenseman on the Phantoms that was 7 or 8 on the Phantoms depth chart was bigger then Lauridsen, they would've called him up instead? Highly unlikely. They called Lauridsen up because his level of play gave the Flyers confidence that he could play up there and help them hold down the fort, due to all the injuries. They didn't just look at the roster and see who's the tallest and weighs the most.