Leaf/Canuck tickets aren't high due to the need to provide revenue sharing. They are high because they can be. As long as ownership can keep raising pricing and not affect attendance, they will. As long as people keep drinking $10.00 beers, the price will only go up.
- Canuckleafer

Love how the fans of these teams don't hold themselves and their owners accountable. If the Predators/Panthers/Coyotes went away today, they seem to think that their prices go down. It is (frank)ing laughable. Their owners charge the prices they do because they can...not because they have to.

Stop paying $100 for a regular season nosebleed ticket...and that ticket will not exist.

Penguins sold the farm last year and it still didn't get them anywhere, close
to the finals. And they choked every year since the Bettman made everything possible
to make sure Cindy has one.
If that's not a definition of desperate, I don't know what is.
- StargateSG1

Wow it was 09 when they lost to pitty, time to get over it. cup,cup finals and a conf final in the last 5 years. Name a team that has won more? There isnt many. They traded a decent prospect with off ice problems, two prospects that werent even in our top 15 and I had never heard of and a first that was in the mid twenties. If you consider that the farm, you have zero understanding about what makes up an organizations depth. According to hockeysfuture Pitts has two teams between them and det, so I guess you better start worrying lol. Also, BTW, theyre both ranked in the top half of the nhl. Pretty good for a team that just sold the farm.

Well I admit this team has zero chance to win now with the dupuis contract and Bylsma drinking the dupuis kool aid they will still make the playoffs every year and win a round here and there. When Dupuis eventually gets traded and/or waived because of his insiane contract and sid gets a real winger again they will win. Sadly its going to be a few years to get rid of Dupuis, Bylsma,fleury and the rest of the garbage from the organization.

Seeing as your clearly a sid hater just wait, you get to watch sid go through his prime with a broken down RW who doesnt ever stick up for him and cant do anything in the playoffs. Also his game is based on speed and hes turning 35 this season, thats when people start getting faster right? amiright? Should be fun.........for you

Contraction of three teams is tough for the BOG to accept. Of the three (Atl, Phx, and Fla) I think you could have relocated two and contract one. Don't care which.

Winnipeg was a smart move. I think you could get another team in that Quebec - Ontario population corridor. That would give us 8 Canadian teams and 29 teams overall (with one spot to be filled at a later date when the NHL is in a better position to find a suitable city).
- bloatedmosquito

32 teams:
Move Florida to QC
Move Pheonix to Hamilton (or Sarnia, where that new stadium proposed).
Seattle gets a team
Another Canaidan city gets a team (Vancouver Island has a half million population).

32 teams:
Move Florida to QC
Move Pheonix to Hamilton (or Sarnia, where that new stadium proposed).
Seattle gets a team
Another Canaidan city gets a team (Vancouver Island has a half million population).
- Artyukhin76

I think you are referring to Markham, not Sarnia. Sarnia is on the border with Michigan and only has a population of 77,000. The Toronto area will not see another NHL team any time soon, so the proposed arena is pretty silly.

Hamiltion should have a team.

I don't think Victoria (Vancouver Island) would work out very well.

I think you'll see two new franchises - Seattle, which could work out and Kansas City, imho, would be a bad idea.

Florida gets moved to QC.

Phoenix stays in Phoenix. Lets be honest, if they haven't been moved based on the financials to date, they may not be going anywhere, any time soon.

All is talk of division opponents is nonsense. There are only 4or 5 games against each team vs. 6 last full year and the teams for new division opponents only half get 5 games and the rest 4 which is a normal previous non division amount. What we have is more non conference games than before so looking at east west performances are as important as division match ups. I think Tampa has 3 more games against the division opponents this year than pre lockout so no big deal. As for desperate teams
5 Vancouver. Do they continue strong division play or drop down a notch to rebuild.
4. Toronto can they make the playoffs in a full season or do they do the Kessel vanishing act around game 60 as his one nut runs out of juice.3. Edmonton is the rebuild complete after 5 years
2. Pittsburg Blysma and Fluery have their futures tied together too much talent for the playoff results
1. Florida can they put some fans in the stands or look to move to QC?


As for Tampa not yet the desperation but will be in the top 5 if they don't make the playoffs or a good run to a playoff berth.
- tpd11

Is this really where we're at now? Making fun of a guy for surviving testicular cancer? Stay classy Tampa Bay. When do you break into your rant about Jewish concentration camps being a myth?

32 teams:
Move Florida to QC
Move Pheonix to Hamilton (or Sarnia, where that new stadium proposed).
Seattle gets a team
Another Canaidan city gets a team (Vancouver Island has a half million population).
- Artyukhin76

Theres more cities that could handle a team up here other than Vancouver island..
Saskatoon could easily, definitely Quebec City, which I think should get there team
back before anybody..Hamilton, hell even another team in Toronto..and nobody has ever mentioned this but how about Baltimore??..

I think you are referring to Markham, not Sarnia. Sarnia is on the border with Michigan and only has a population of 77,000. The Toronto area will not see another NHL team any time soon, so the proposed arena is pretty silly.

Hamiltion should have a team.

I don't think Victoria (Vancouver Island) would work out very well.

I think you'll see two new franchises - Seattle, which could work out and Kansas City, imho, would be a bad idea.

Florida gets moved to QC.

Phoenix stays in Phoenix. Lets be honest, if they haven't been moved based on the financials to date, they may not be going anywhere, any time soon.
- Canuckleafer

Hamilton should have a team, I disagree with Vic not being able to support. The city alone has 300,000 people and many are transplants from east.

Theres more cities that could handle a team up here other than Vancouver island..
Saskatoon could easily, definitely Quebec City, which I think should get there team
back before anybody..Hamilton, hell even another team in Toronto..and nobody has ever mentioned this but how about Baltimore??..
- nascarguy

I said QC and Hamilton, but Victoria has ALOT of people with money and nothing but time on there hands. Victoria, home of the newlywed and Nearly dead!

Is this really where we're at now? Making fun of a guy for surviving testicular cancer? Stay classy Tampa Bay. When do you break into your rant about Jewish concentration camps being a myth?
- MrBen

The only myth about those camps is that they where only for Jewish people. 11,000,000 died in them and 5,000,000 weren't Hebrews. Yes making a cancer survivor joke is low, but I've heard much worse from every teams fans.

The only myth about those camps is that they where only for Jewish people. 11,000,000 died in them and 5,000,000 weren't Hebrews. Yes making a cancer survivor joke is low, but I've heard much worse from every teams fans.
- Artyukhin76

Not us Leaf fans, we're the toast of the town.

Just cause you attempted to come off as not being a homer, your opinion doesnt become any more valid. And while the playoff drought is there; instead of coming off as a reasonable point, it just all seemed like such an incredibly transparent dig coming from a leaf fan.

I think alot of teams could be more desperate. I dunno, It's debateable depending on the parameters. It was your reasoning and logic on the first overalls that was laughably bad and nonsensical.

Also, quick tip, repeating the same sentence ive originally used against me isnt actually clever when there's no irony involved.
Another 0/10 post 'bro'
- hugefemale dog77

I fail to see what about what I said is a transparent dig. I am seeing the Oilers listed among others top 5 most desparate teams list as well. You are the only person that seems to be complaining about what I've said also. Fans of the other teams I've listed aren't upset about it.

I guess I need to apologize for you taking offense to what I've written. I've yet to hear a factual argument that disputes what I've written though.

Fact - the Oilers have the longest playoff drought in the NHL currently

Fact - the Oilers have several 1st overall picks on their roster

Fact - prior to last year I would have had the Leafs as the #1 most desperate team on my list

Are you satisfied with your team being at or near the bottom of the standings year after year? Does this not make you and your fanbase desperate for success? I know that's how I felt last year, in fact, I still feel it now.

Not us Leaf fans, we're the toast of the town.
- MrBen

Looking for unbiased fantasy advice here.

In a keeper league (points only) who would you keep and why...

Dougie Hamilton or Jake Gardiner?

I said QC and Hamilton, but Victoria has ALOT of people with money and nothing but time on there hands. Victoria, home of the newlywed and Nearly dead!
- Artyukhin76

Hey , I am not a newlywed or nearly dead , but I do have a lot of money.

Hey , I am not a newlywed or nearly dead , but I do have a lot of money.
- HawkfaninBC

I have decent money, but I don't live there anymore. I miss Victoria sometimes.

I have decent money, but I don't live there anymore. I miss Victoria sometimes.
- Artyukhin76

I moved here from Edmonton 2 years ago, Victoria is great but I do miss the vibrancy of Edmonton and Alberta at times. Not in the middle of winter though!!

Is this really where we're at now? Making fun of a guy for surviving testicular cancer? Stay classy Tampa Bay. When do you break into your rant about Jewish concentration camps being a myth?
- MrBen

Not joking about surviving cancer, BTW was it self induced ala Lance Armstrong? The need for smaller teens to bulk up? And the juice refers to lower testerosterone levels from the one nad. Juicing in teens was and is a problem and the longer term side effects unknown at that time.so now we have an increase in athletes with this type of cancer and reduced performannce. while it might have been done some time ago it's a question to be asked. Armstrongs performance stayed high because he never stopped juicing. Of course hockey players never juiced.
As far as bringing up death camps into a discussion is disturbing for one sitting in judgement about being classy. more the sign of a disturbed mind, seek out a mental health professional for a visit.

I fail to see what about what I said is a transparent dig. I am seeing the Oilers listed among others top 5 most desparate teams list as well. You are the only person that seems to be complaining about what I've said also. Fans of the other teams I've listed aren't upset about it.

I guess I need to apologize for you taking offense to what I've written. I've yet to hear a factual argument that disputes what I've written though.

Fact - the Oilers have the longest playoff drought in the NHL currently

Fact - the Oilers have several 1st overall picks on their roster

Fact - prior to last year I would have had the Leafs as the #1 most desperate team on my list

Are you satisfied with your team being at or near the bottom of the standings year after year? Does this not make you and your fanbase desperate for success? I know that's how I felt last year, in fact, I still feel it now.
- Kinger34

This isnt rocket science.
You eluded to the fact that theyve been failing even with 3 first overalls in a row.
"How many first overalls do they need before they start winning".

You either convienently forgot or flat out didnt know that a team with a core 5 of 18, 19, 21, 21 and 22 year olds, Two of them rookies, probably wasnt ready to win cups.
It's was literally year 3 last season since they completely tore the franchise down and nosedived for hall.

I hate that i have to spell it out in such detail for you.

Anyway, every team wants success. Maybe you're basing your parameters solely on fans. I dunno.
But ur logic on the kids not taking us to the promised land yet is completely without logic.
Pittsburgh had their first of 5 consecutive lottery picks in 02.
Didnt make the playoffs till 07. Didnt win the cup till 09.
And they got malkin and crosby among the picks...

1. Team Canada
2. Team Russia
3. Everyone else

This isnt rocket science.
You eluded to the fact that theyve been failing even with 3 first overalls in a row.
"How many first overalls do they need before they start winning".

You either convienently forgot or flat out didnt know that a team with a core 5 of 18, 19, 21, 21 and 22 year olds, Two of them rookies, probably wasnt ready to win cups.
It's was literally year 3 last season since they completely tore the franchise down and nosedived for hall.

I hate that i have to spell it out in such detail for you.

Anyway, every team wants success. Maybe you're basing your parameters solely on fans. I dunno.
But ur logic on the kids not taking us to the promised land yet is completely without logic.
Pittsburgh had their first of 5 consecutive lottery picks in 02.
Didnt make the playoffs till 07. Didnt win the cup till 09.
And they got malkin and crosby among the picks...
- hugefemale dog77

Okay, I think I get where the misunderstanding is. I'm not talking about the Oilers needing to win the Stanley Cup - I don't expect them to, I'm talking about the Oilers having a winning season and making the playoffs. Some positivity after several years of negativity.

What I'm saying is that after so many disappointing season with several 1st overall picks to show for it if I was an Oilers fan I would be clamoring for a positive, winning season. I think you're mistaking my opinion has haterade when it is in fact the opposite. I want to see the Oilers win, they are my 2nd favourite Canadian team and I want to see Eakins have success there.

Penguins sold the farm last year and it still didn't get them anywhere, close
to the finals. And they choked every year since the Bettman made everything possible
to make sure Cindy has one.
If that's not a definition of desperate, I don't know what is.
- StargateSG1

Yeah I guess the Eastern Conference Finals aren't close...

What about St Louis? They spent close to the cap, and if they have another first round flame out, or a really rough stretch, they might just start trading some of their coveted players.