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SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Sep 22 @ 2:54 PM ET
really
- VANTEL

we might need you to throw in a draft pick and we'll throw in neal to even it up.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Sep 22 @ 2:59 PM ET
Still think it should be bennett with sid and dupuis and kunitz with malkin and neal
- Genev21


Before Sid had the broken jaw Dupes, Kuni and Sid were dominant. Nobody could contain them. I stick with that until evidence proves otherwise.

Too bad they couldn't clone Kunitz in the off-season.

Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Sep 22 @ 3:12 PM ET
there is no need to be condescending... no need to bash him for having an opinion..
- SuperHenderson13


Sorry, I don't believe in the method of throwing Spaghetti on the ceiling to see if it sticks, or people putting something out there that makes no sense just to get a reaction.
Genev21
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.29.2012

Sep 22 @ 3:45 PM ET
Before Sid had the broken jaw Dupes, Kuni and Sid were dominant. Nobody could contain them. I stick with that until evidence proves otherwise.

Too bad they couldn't clone Kunitz in the off-season.

- madmike71

Before sid came back kunitz malkin neal was the best line in hockey. Crosby's line will be up there regardless of who he plays with. Neal is better when Kunitz is on that line and he provides a down low presence that isn't really there. I think Neal and Malkin benefit better from playing with Kunitz than Crosby and Dupuis. I also think bennett would benefit more from playing with sid.
nh4442
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @MyDaddysInTheAF, PA
Joined: 05.28.2010

Sep 22 @ 3:58 PM ET
Before sid came back kunitz malkin neal was the best line in hockey. Crosby's line will be up there regardless of who he plays with. Neal is better when Kunitz is on that line and he provides a down low presence that isn't really there. I think Neal and Malkin benefit better from playing with Kunitz than Crosby and Dupuis. I also think bennett would benefit more from playing with sid.
- Genev21

shhhh your making too much sense for the people in here... your going to get attacked and ridiculed for you opinion... better to keep quiet and just go along with the masses.....
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Sep 22 @ 4:02 PM ET
Before sid came back kunitz malkin neal was the best line in hockey. Crosby's line will be up there regardless of who he plays with. Neal is better when Kunitz is on that line and he provides a down low presence that isn't really there. I think Neal and Malkin benefit better from playing with Kunitz than Crosby and Dupuis. I also think bennett would benefit more from playing with sid.
- Genev21


Valid points. I think I remember making the same argument last year.

Regardless... The bottom line is Sid wants to play with Kunitz and he'll get what he wants. I'm Ok with it because that line was electric last year.

Let's hope Bennett continues his great play.
Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Sep 22 @ 4:03 PM ET
shhhh your making too much sense for the people in here... your going to get attacked and ridiculed for you opinion... better to keep quiet and just go along with the masses.....
- nh4442


Nh the reason you catch flack is because you have not only been critical of Dupuis, but you have downright degraded him. Also, there has been concrete irrefutable numbers that contradict your opinion.

The sample size from which the numbers have been taken has only grown and further discredited your clear negative perception of Dupuis.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Sep 22 @ 4:09 PM ET
Nh the reason you catch flack is because you have not only been critical of Dupuis, but you have downright degraded him. Also, there has been concrete irrefutable numbers that contradict your opinion.

The sample size from which the numbers have been taken has only grown and further discredited your clear negative perception of Dupuis.

- Ryan_Wilson


exactly.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Sep 22 @ 4:10 PM ET
shhhh your making too much sense for the people in here... your going to get attacked and ridiculed for you opinion... better to keep quiet and just go along with the masses.....
- nh4442



You lied. I thought you were taking time off.
nh4442
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @MyDaddysInTheAF, PA
Joined: 05.28.2010

Sep 22 @ 4:12 PM ET
Nh the reason you catch flack is because you have not only been critical of Dupuis, but you have downright degraded him. Also, there has been concrete irrefutable numbers that contradict your opinion.

The sample size from which the numbers have been taken has only grown and further discredited your clear negative perception of Dupuis.

- Ryan_Wilson

If he is soo good then why not put him with the 3rd line to give them speed and grit and scoring chances as well as winger being defensive minded and put bennett with sid to let him grow... after one game everyone is on jussi to play top 6...

people around here jump left and right to not make waves and go up against the guys that have been in this board longer... if you have an opinion it is not welcomed here in this board anymore....

im not throwing out stupid trades or trying to get players we can't. I am making reasonable suggestions from what I see....

people want to live in th past and talk about sid dupes kuni but everyone forgets about kuni neal geno or how geno and neal havent done anything since kuni went back up... he is/was a crucial piece to having that line click.... but god forbid u try to break up the sid kuni dupes line... bc they did soo great in playoffs... er im sorry 2 yrs ago....

Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Sep 22 @ 4:14 PM ET
If he is soo good then why not put him with the 3rd line to give them speed and grit and scoring chances as well as winger being defensive minded and put bennett with sid to let him grow... after one game everyone is on jussi to play top 6...

people around here jump left and right to not make waves and go up against the guys that have been in this board longer... if you have an opinion it is not welcomed here in this board anymore....

im not throwing out stupid trades or trying to get players we can't. I am making reasonable suggestions from what I see....

people want to live in th past and talk about sid dupes kuni but everyone forgets about kuni neal geno or how geno and neal havent done anything since kuni went back up... he is/was a crucial piece to having that line click.... but god forbid u try to break up the sid kuni dupes line... bc they did soo great in playoffs... er im sorry 2 yrs ago....

- nh4442


Why not put Kunitz on third line? Same logic
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Sep 22 @ 4:19 PM ET
If he is soo good then why not put him with the 3rd line to give them speed and grit and scoring chances as well as winger being defensive minded and put bennett with sid to let him grow... after one game everyone is on jussi to play top 6...

people around here jump left and right to not make waves and go up against the guys that have been in this board longer... if you have an opinion it is not welcomed here in this board anymore....

im not throwing out stupid trades or trying to get players we can't. I am making reasonable suggestions from what I see....

people want to live in th past and talk about sid dupes kuni but everyone forgets about kuni neal geno or how geno and neal havent done anything since kuni went back up... he is/was a crucial piece to having that line click.... but god forbid u try to break up the sid kuni dupes line... bc they did soo great in playoffs... er im sorry 2 yrs ago....

- nh4442

I stopped reading after the first sentence... that makes absolutely no sense.
nh4442
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @MyDaddysInTheAF, PA
Joined: 05.28.2010

Sep 22 @ 4:20 PM ET
Why not put Kunitz on third line? Same logic
- Ryan_Wilson

Not really but if you want to play that game then sure.. what ever you say is right...

kuni is the same type of player as dupes so if I think dupes should be on 3rd line to help balance out the line then ya kuni could to
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Sep 22 @ 4:32 PM ET
Not really but if you want to play that game then sure.. what ever you say is right...

kuni is the same type of player as dupes so if I think dupes should be on 3rd line to help balance out the line then ya kuni could to

- nh4442

ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Sep 22 @ 6:57 PM ET
Crosby plays with Kunitz and Duper because the line has amazing chemistry. Kunitz had amazing chemistry with Malkin as well... but push comes to shove, like it or not, Crosby is going to get what he wants. Kunitz with either one would be good. Anyone who thinks Duper should play on the 3rd line is foolish. Its not a matter of line mates, as he has played well whereever he is placed, it's a matter of ice time. Duper has been our top clutch player for 2 years now. I'm for either Bennett or Jokinen on the top 6... both have made a solid case this preseason. Too bad their ain't another Kunitz. Where is Michael Keaton when you need him.... Also... it seems like Biron might be the man out in NY. If so... Jump on it!
Genev21
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.29.2012

Sep 22 @ 7:08 PM ET
Crosby plays with Kunitz and Duper because the line has amazing chemistry. Kunitz had amazing chemistry with Malkin as well... but push comes to shove, like it or not, Crosby is going to get what he wants. Kunitz with either one would be good. Anyone who thinks Duper should play on the 3rd line is foolish. Its not a matter of line mates, as he has played well whereever he is placed, it's a matter of ice time. Duper has been our top clutch player for 2 years now. I'm for either Bennett or Jokinen on the top 6... both have made a solid case this preseason. Too bad their ain't another Kunitz. Where is Michael Keaton when you need him.... Also... it seems like Biron might be the man out in NY. If so... Jump on it!
- ChrisMS

Why do we pay Bylsma then if Crosby is making the lines. If I was Bylsma I would go to Crosby and be like look buddy we can let you have your way and you can keep losing in the playoffs or we could do it this way and make the team better. You get paid to play I get paid to coach.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Sep 22 @ 7:15 PM ET
Why do we pay Bylsma then if Crosby is making the lines. If I was Bylsma I would go to Crosby and be like look buddy we can let you have your way and you can keep losing in the playoffs or we could do it this way and make the team better. You get paid to play I get paid to coach.
- Genev21


dunno... why did we pay badger or bowman when lemieux was basically setting his own lines? It's just reality. Kunitz makes room for his linemates and does all the little things good. He played well with Crosby and with Malkin. The coach has two good options... make the choice that appeases the team leader. Having another Kunitz would be ideal. whichever line kunitz doesn't play on suffers in effectiveness, so you are robbing peter to pay paul.
Genev21
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.29.2012

Sep 22 @ 7:27 PM ET
dunno... why did we pay badger or bowman when lemieux was basically setting his own lines? It's just reality. Kunitz makes room for his linemates and does all the little things good. He played well with Crosby and with Malkin. The coach has two good options... make the choice that appeases the team leader. Having another Kunitz would be ideal. whichever line kunitz doesn't play on suffers in effectiveness, so you are robbing peter to pay paul.
- ChrisMS

You know what really appeases the leader, stanley cups and moving kunitz with malkin creates the 1a, 1b lines people keep saying the pens already have. Malkin and neal have shown they can be stopped when they don't have kunitz in there but when kunitz was with them there wasn't a team in the nhl even slowing them down. And obviously a bennett crosby dupuis line would be a top 1st line pairing in the nhl.
powerhouse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Columbia , MD
Joined: 11.28.2006

Sep 22 @ 8:23 PM ET

Lots of talk here but truth is the talk was started by Jokinen's hat trick. That was a convincing performance. It will be fun to see what HAPPENS!
cranktheradio
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Greensburg, PA
Joined: 07.02.2011

Sep 22 @ 8:34 PM ET
You know what really appeases the leader, stanley cups and moving kunitz with malkin creates the 1a, 1b lines people keep saying the pens already have. Malkin and neal have shown they can be stopped when they don't have kunitz in there but when kunitz was with them there wasn't a team in the nhl even slowing them down. And obviously a bennett crosby dupuis line would be a top 1st line pairing in the nhl.
- Genev21


Completely agree. Plus, Bennet is a bit of a better play maker than Kunitz. Being on Sid's line would force Sid to shoot more often...to me this would be a good thing. Crosby himself admits that he looks pass way too often.
Only downside is losing Kunitz's fore checking, but Bennet is bigger now and can hit.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Sep 22 @ 9:01 PM ET
People forget that Crosby didn't produce as well without Kunitz for a good stretch last year. I remember somebody saying Crosby wished to see Kuni back on his line...he got his wish.

Neal needs to grow the (frank) up and stop being one dimensional...and I thought he looked a bit faster on this preseason than last year.

Jokes is just a very good player. I'd get him a bunch of minutes on Geno's line. So smart.
Genev21
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.29.2012

Sep 22 @ 9:51 PM ET

Completely agree. Plus, Bennet is a bit of a better play maker than Kunitz. Being on Sid's line would force Sid to shoot more often...to me this would be a good thing. Crosby himself admits that he looks pass way too often.
Only downside is losing Kunitz's fore checking, but Bennet is bigger now and can hit.

- cranktheradio

Looking back on it i like what they did with bennett making him play third and fourth line last year to make him a more well rounded player. Obviously he isn't as good as Kunitz on the fore check but he's acceptable.
powerhouse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Columbia , MD
Joined: 11.28.2006

Sep 22 @ 10:00 PM ET
Looking back on it i like what they did with bennett making him play third and fourth line last year to make him a more well rounded player. Obviously he isn't as good as Kunitz on the fore check but he's acceptable.
- Genev21


He is so smart on his choices. That is why I love Bennett. He is going to learn quickly because of his ability to do the right thing already. Only going to get better and the only thing limiting him is how much playing time he will get. He is going to have to earn that and that is the way it should be, IMO.
Ben37
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: One of the Most Respected Hockeybuzz Posters, AB
Joined: 04.07.2010

Sep 22 @ 10:30 PM ET
So if Malkin and Neal need Kunitz and Dupuis is going to the third line, who is Crosby playing with?

I understand the sentiment of putting Kunitz with Malkin and Neal, but the Kunitz, Crosby and Dupuis line has been the best line in the NHL by far when Crosby is healthy. So why are we fans wanting to fix what isn't broken?
Genev21
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.29.2012

Sep 22 @ 11:44 PM ET
So if Malkin and Neal need Kunitz and Dupuis is going to the third line, who is Crosby playing with?

I understand the sentiment of putting Kunitz with Malkin and Neal, but the Kunitz, Crosby and Dupuis line has been the best line in the NHL by far when Crosby is healthy. So why are we fans wanting to fix what isn't broken?

- Ben37

Because the Kunitz Malkin Neal line was by far the best in the NHL before Sid came back. And like i stated before Malink and Neal benefit more from having Kunitz than Crosby and Dupuis do.
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