They'd be (frank)ed like Jenna Jameson if Pronger drops dead or retires.
- Jsaquella

That they would, for sure. Thankfully, that is not the case at present.

When have the Flyers left themselves with very little wrigle room? How many players were they able to call up last season to replace injured players? Every Season they go out and sign top free agents. They trade for players at the deadline. Where is this ultimate problem at?
- MJL

I could give examples like the Upshall trade and Metropolit waiving, but the main thing is they always seem to need to give back salary in any trade at the trade deadline.

Pardon me, Lady, but my responses have been logical. I just avoided the Webster's definition of cap mis-management because it seemed unnecessary.
- Jsaquella

And what did we learn today?

I'm gonna have a painful amount of Lundqvist dreams until the situation resolves itself one way or another.
- JAKEw1234

Just don't dream about those beautiful baby blues in your bunk and we will forgive you.

Signing Lundqvist would lead to cap issues. But it wouldn't necessarily be a problem because we want to do it.
- jmatchett383

Better maybe?

And what did we learn today?
- FlyersGrace

Instead of coming to Hockeybuzz, stay on Twitter and talk to Butsy?

They'd be (frank)ed like Jenna Jameson if Pronger drops dead or retires.
- Jsaquella

i had to reply just to gain the full impact of the actual verbiage on display regarding jenna...

Instead of coming to Hockeybuzz, stay on Twitter and talk to Butsy?
- Jsaquella

Possible. But you would miss so many wonderful witticisms.
EDIT: Ignore the post above this one.

Under this definition, would you say that the current Philadelphia Flyers have a cap problem at the moment? I'd say no they don't, but they may further down the line this season. They can begin the season without loss of any significant assets, yet they may be precluded from making a deal they'd like to without doing so later on this season.
- jmatchett383

If we use this definition, it doesn't seem like we could apply it to future situation since we don't know what the move(s) would be. I think you can only assess this in context of a specific move. You can't say something like, "well, they'll be in trouble next year if x, y. or z happens". Those things may not happen. Or even if the do, the team could find a way to address the situation without losing a significant asset. IMO, this sort of analysis only works if you are discussing a specific move. It doesn't really work as a forward looking projection of what might happen.

If we use this definition, it doesn't seem like we could apply it to future situation since we don't know what the move(s) would be. I think you can only assess this in context of a specific move. You can't say something like, "well, they'll be in trouble next year if x, y. or z happens". Those things may not happen. Or even if the do, the team could find a way to address the situation without losing a significant asset. IMO, this sort of analysis only works if you are discussing a specific move. It doesn't really work as a forward looking projection of what might happen.
- BringBack25

I'll get out my tea leaves. Or octopus?
Bird entrails were too messy.

Better maybe?
- 77rams

The Middle East doesn't have problems. They have a few issues though.

The Middle East doesn't have problems. They have a few issues though.
- PhillySportsGuy

Hold up Nelly. Don't jump the shark, now...

Seriously, i'm surprised someone hasn't gone postal on Ed Herr. so sick of that commercial..."here's your flay-vor, pal!"

I'll get out my tea leaves. Or octopus?
Bird entrails were too messy.
- FlyersGrace

um, sure...bird entrails are very messy (or so I hear). But I'm sure either of these methods would be just as accurate at predicting the future salary cap woes of a team as the analysis taking place on the internet.

The Middle East doesn't have problems. They have a few issues though.
- PhillySportsGuy

Good analogy.

So by your definition, all 30 NHL teams have a cap problem? In the context of looking at whether a team has a Cap problem, or doesn't have a Cap problem, that is not the correct way of looking at it, in my opinion. Because in that context every team has a cap problem.
- MJL

Of course you can't have pancakes without maple syrup.

97X, bam! The future of rock 'n' roll. 97X, bam! The future of rock 'n' roll. 97X, bam! The future of rock 'n' roll.

Could they be one in the same?

If we use this definition, it doesn't seem like we could apply it to future situation since we don't know what the move(s) would be. I think you can only assess this in context of a specific move. You can't say something like, "well, they'll be in trouble next year if x, y. or z happens". Those things may not happen. Or even if the do, the team could find a way to address the situation without losing a significant asset. IMO, this sort of analysis only works if you are discussing a specific move. It doesn't really work as a forward looking projection of what might happen.
- BringBack25

Fair enough. As it stands now, do they have a cap problem? Using your definition, I'd say no, since they can get under the cap without losing a significant asset.

Seriously, i'm surprised someone hasn't gone postal on Ed Herr. so sick of that commercial..."here's your flay-vor, pal!"
- isaiah520

I sue'd Eh Herr... He said make Her's yours... so I did, and she didn't like it that much...

The Middle East doesn't have problems. They have a few issues though.
- PhillySportsGuy

The Middle East is a problem.

I sue'd Eh Herr... He said make Her's yours... so I did, and she didn't like it that much...
- youarewrong

i wouldn't go to the chopping block based on anything mr flay-vor had to say

The Middle East is a problem.
- jmatchett383

Where is the Middle West?

Where is the Middle West?
- youarewrong

St Louis?

You're right, the entire context of the conversation was about cap mismanagement.

The Flyers had a former first round draft choice who would have made the team better, but they couldn't recall him because they didn't have enough cap room to absorb his massive cap hit of $850K.

That's cap mismanagement. The team, if it wanted to bring Giroux into the lineup, had to make a move to clear enough cap room to fit $850K under the cap. To put their best possible team on the ice under the salary cap they had to make a trade.

The trade they made sent a solid player, plus a 2nd rounder for a 3rd line agitator who had fallen out of favor for the sole reason it provided enough cap room to recall Giroux.

On what planet is that not an example of poor cap management?

You can argue if they were forced to make that particular trade or if it was a decision all along. The bottom line is they made a bad trade solely to get cap space because they could not fit $850,000 under the cap. That is a crystal clear example of poor cap management. They aren't the only team who has done something similar.

Detroit had to trade Ville Leino for a broken down OK Tollefsen because they couldn't bring Franzen back from the LTIR. The Devils have played games where they dressed 16 or 17 skaters because of the cap. It's not a damning indictment, it's an example of poor planning.
- Jsaquella

No matter how you look at it, it's not cap mismangement. It's choices. Breaking it down to that one moment, ignores all the other choices and decisions they made leading up to that point. And as Grace put it, poop happens and you can't predict the future. The Flyers could've chosen to keep Giroux at the start of the Season, but they didn't. They could've chosen to leave space available and not make other moves in the mean time. If I'm not msitaked, Briere was also on LTIR for a large part of that Season. Well the Flyers chose to maximize their Cap assets and put the best team on the ice they could. it all comes down to choices and decisions on how to spend the Cap money. And they weren't forced to make that trade due to cap mismanagement. They chose to. And looking at the trade in and of itself, it was a bad trade. But they weren't forced to make it. That's my point. It's not an example of cap mismanagement in my opinion. So we'll just disagree. I have the utmost respect for your opinion. I just don't agree with it.

Maple syrup is supposed to be on the table before the pancakes. Of course when they bring the maple syrup after the pancakes, it'll definitely be too late.
We're gonna be here the entire morning with no maple syrup and no - no toothpicks, I'm definitely, definitely not gonna have my pancakes w-with...

OW!

UH-OH!

Number eighteen in 1988, Charlie Babbitt squeezed and pulled and hurt my neck in 1988.

Where is the Middle West?
- youarewrong

The Mid West is also a problem. They called it "Southern Baptist." Please refer to: The Westboro Baptist Church for an extreme case.

Edit: This line (from Wikipedia) made me just spit out a mouthful of iced tea at work in laughter, but I'm not sure why:

"Westboro Baptist refers to Catholic priests as "vampires" and "Draculas" and talks of Catholic priests sucking semen out of male children's genitals like vampires suck blood from their victims."