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dubnyk earned the starting role last year. He put up respectable numbers, 12th best save % behind possibly the weakest defence in the league. All I am saying is give it a few games. You and a few others only choose to remember the poop games last year and ignore the fact he kept them in a lot of games while being outshot by 20+ shots . I am not 100% convinced dubnyk is the guy, but I am willing to not bash him over the first (frank)ing game of the year, because that is pretty (frank)ing weak.

Where the team is now, we all know if dubnyk is not performing up to par, mact will move him. I dont think he is going to let him drag the team down. BUT, I think he will wait a bit more than 1 game to crucify him.

And yes he had a poopty game tonight. No excuses.
- abware

yes he had some good games last year agains weak teams and lots of bad games,I do understand is just the first game but everyone knows well about Dubnyk soft goals problems,will see where the Oil are after 10 games and that's how many games I would give Dubnyk to show that todays game was just ONE bad game.

Sorry but yes is one game but can you tell me how many of the Goals that the Oil score on Pavelec were Softies?
- AlEx_OiL

What does that have to do with my point?

That has absolutely nothing to do with Dubnyk having an off game, while having very good numbers over the past 3 seasons. Actually, over the past three seasons, Dubnyk > Pavelec... I'm assuming what you're saying is that Pavelec is better than Dubnyk, because Pavelec played better tonight? LOL!!! That's like saying Eric Tangradi is better than Taylor Hall, because he played better than Hall tonight! Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

yes he had some good games last year agains weak teams and lots of bad games,I do understand is just the first game but everyone knows well about Dubnyk soft goals problems,will see where the Oil are after 10 games and that's how many games I would give Dubnyk to show that todays game was just ONE bad game.
- AlEx_OiL

What would you do sign the best FA left? Or make a trade for Miller or whomever?

Perhaps possibly look at reimer? Although I dont think hes good but people seem to disagree with me.
- Yeti1181

Reimer? meh

Perhaps possibly look at reimer? Although I dont think hes good but people seem to disagree with me.
- Yeti1181

I think Reimer is in the same spot as Dubnyk is, the only different is that the Leaf GM was able to bring Bernier as insurance with upside to be a number one goalie,something that MacT was trying to do.

I heard that quite of few times last year
- AlEx_OiL

How were his numbers last year while playing behind a terrible D? Hmmmmm

I think Reimer is in the same spot as Dubnyk is, the only different is that the Leaf GM was able to bring Bernier as insurance with upside to be a number one goalie,something that MacT was trying to do.
- AlEx_OiL

Who could they look at?

What does that have to do with my point?

That has absolutely nothing to do with Dubnyk having an off game, while having very good numbers over the past 3 seasons. Actually, over the past three seasons, Dubnyk > Pavelec... I'm assuming what you're saying is that Pavelec is better than Dubnyk, because Pavelec played better tonight? LOL!!! That's like saying Eric Tangradi is better than Taylor Hall, because he played better than Hall tonight! Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
- laughs2907

if you believe Dubnyk is a real number one goalie and just had an off game (season opener at Home and knowing he have to show he's the number one goalie)then well I hope your right but I will stand by saying he haven't prove to be that yet,But He have prove he is a good back up Goalie tho

How were his numbers last year while playing behind a terrible D? Hmmmmm
- laughs2907

Ask Eakins if last year stats count on todays game.

Who could they look at?
- Yeti1181

Not sure but Halak is available and could be an option if Dubnyk keeps giving Gifts like if it's Christmas Season.

Not sure but Halak is available and could be an option if Dubnyk keeps giving Gifts like if it's Christmas Season.
- AlEx_OiL

i'm not sure blues would trade halak and rely on elliott and allen for a playoff run. i think blues would rather trade elliott rather than halak and call up allen to be back up.

Not sure but Halak is available and could be an option if Dubnyk keeps giving Gifts like if it's Christmas Season.
- AlEx_OiL

Thats actually a really good idea. We need a proven guy because we are past the point of letting develop.

Ask Eakins if last year stats count on todays game.
- AlEx_OiL

See that argument makes absolutely zero sense... It's one (frank)ing game. Are you really this thick-headed? You're really going to start judging players on one game? You do realize that EVERY goalie in the league has off games, right? If you're going to judge goalies based only on single game performances, I guess there are no starting goaltenders in the NHL today, because like it or lump it, they all have games like Dubnyk had tonight.

See that argument makes absolutely zero sense... It's one (frank)ing game. Are you really this thick-headed? You're really going to start judging players on one game? You do realize that EVERY goalie in the league has off games, right? If you're going to judge goalies based only on single game performances, I guess there are no starting goaltenders in the NHL today, because like it or lump it, they all have games like Dubnyk had tonight.
- laughs2907

Dubnyk is well know for the amount of softie goals he allows,anyways yes is game number one but today he showed again on opening night at home and btw the coach said it with out the gifts the Oil wins,Dubnyk just need it to stop 2 of the 3 softies,and the Coach said it the game should had been 4 nothing after the second period.

Dubnyk is well know for the amount of softie goals he allows,anyways yes is game number one but today he showed again on opening night at home and btw the coach said it with out the gifts the Oil wins,Dubnyk just need it to stop 2 of the 3 softies,and the Coach said it the game should had been 4 nothing after the second period.
- AlEx_OiL

Softies or not, his save % clearly shows that he has been a top 15-20 goaltender over the last three seasons in the NHL. Yes, he has let in softies from time to time (most goalies do) but then he'll go and make a save he has absolutely no business stopping... One cancels the other out. His numbers do not lie... He has been starter quality.

If you actually listened to what the coach said, he said it was not just goaltending, it was a combination of things... And whether it's Eakin's, MacT, Jessie and the Rippers, Moses, or even God himself, I don't care what they say about 1... Yes, 1 game. 1 game... 1 game... 1 game does not erase his numbers and performances over the past 3 seasons (unless they can perfect time travel, go back in time 3-4 years ago, and (frank) Dubnyk up so he doesn't put up .916, .914, and .920 years)

-Dubby had a very weak game
-Hall doesn't belong at center. He is amazing on the wing but looks out of place playing down the middle. No chemistry with Smytty and Hemsky either
-dont know why Eakins had the 4th line sitting on the bench for the entire 3rd period while they were getting rough and taking liberties with our boys
-Joensuu is a (frank)ing beast,

Softies or not, his save % clearly shows that he has been a top 15-20 goaltender over the last three seasons in the NHL. Yes, he has let in softies from time to time (most goalies do) but then he'll go and make a save he has absolutely no business stopping... One cancels the other out. His numbers do not lie... He has been starter quality.

If you actually listened to what the coach said, he said it was not just goaltending, it was a combination of things... And whether it's Eakin's, MacT, Jessie and the Rippers, Moses, or even God himself, I don't care what they say about 1... Yes, 1 game. 1 game... 1 game... 1 game does not erase his numbers and performances over the past 3 seasons (unless they can perfect time travel, go back in time 3-4 years ago, and (frank) Dubnyk up so he doesn't put up .916, .914, and .920 years)
- laughs2907

People need to stop mentioning save percentage and playing behind a terrible D. So much of the goaltender position is mental and most NHL goaltenders are more than happy to face MORE shots than LESS shots. You often hear a goalie say that it is the toughest thing to do to stay mentally focussed in a game where he is not getting a lot of shots. Even the worst backup in the show was an amazing goaltender at some point in his career and these guys CRAVE a ton of shots...I would even argue that most of them thrive on a constant barrage of shots. What sets the good ones apart is how they can stay mentally focused when there are very few shots on goal.

I cannot think of a goaltender in the NHL over the past 5 years (or more) that is worse at keeping mentally focused. Dubnyk has to get his act together in a hurry.

Dubnyk didn't just have a bad game, he was THE STORY of the game. He was responsible for the loss.

I wouldn't be surprised if Labarbara starts Saturday...an Eakins message.

Softies or not, his save % clearly shows that he has been a top 15-20 goaltender over the last three seasons in the NHL. Yes, he has let in softies from time to time (most goalies do) but then he'll go and make a save he has absolutely no business stopping... One cancels the other out. His numbers do not lie... He has been starter quality.

If you actually listened to what the coach said, he said it was not just goaltending, it was a combination of things... And whether it's Eakin's, MacT, Jessie and the Rippers, Moses, or even God himself, I don't care what they say about 1... Yes, 1 game. 1 game... 1 game... 1 game does not erase his numbers and performances over the past 3 seasons (unless they can perfect time travel, go back in time 3-4 years ago, and (frank) Dubnyk up so he doesn't put up .916, .914, and .920 years)
- laughs2907

starting goalies need to make every save they should and a lot of saves they have no business making. just because dubnyk robs someone one save doesn't mean he gets a pass when he lets in a weak goal. being a #1 is about consistency more than anything and that shows inconsistency.

There's a reason the the Oilers tried to get Schneider.
- Oildrum

Heresay.

The only thing we know for sure is that gillis said thst no one offered a bigger package than the 9th overall.

Everything else is conjecture

*do not waste your time posting a link to a rumour guy that reported this story. It changes nothing in my argument

People need to stop mentioning save percentage and playing behind a terrible D. So much of the goaltender position is mental and most NHL goaltenders are more than happy to face MORE shots than LESS shots. You often hear a goalie say that it is the toughest thing to do to stay mentally focussed in a game where he is not getting a lot of shots. Even the worst backup in the show was an amazing goaltender at some point in his career and these guys CRAVE a ton of shots...I would even argue that most of them thrive on a constant barrage of shots. What sets the good ones apart is how they can stay mentally focused when there are very few shots on goal.

I cannot think of a goaltender in the NHL over the past 5 years (or more) that is worse at keeping mentally focused. Dubnyk has to get his act together in a hurry.

Dubnyk didn't just have a bad game, he was THE STORY of the game. He was responsible for the loss.

I wouldn't be surprised if Labarbara starts Saturday...an Eakins message.
- JLO961

No they really dont need to stop saying sv% and a weak defence.
Theyre strong counterpoints to your opinion.

Also, ryan miller is a former vezina winner and probably considered the best goalie in the league not too long ago.
Ask him how much he loved, or how well he did last year facing insane amounts of rubber behind one of the worst defences in the league...

So i just want to make sure that all the 'sky is falling' dubnyk haters are willing to do the exact opposite if he stands on his head after the game 2 or 3.

"Omg!, he totally stole game 2 of the season!!Not just starter quality, but elite!
Sign him long term to huge dollars now"!

Ridiculous right? This is essentially what many of you are doing (except opposite)after game 1 of the season.

No they really dont need to stop saying sv% and a weak defence.
Theyre strong counterpoints to your opinion.

Also, ryan miller is a former vezina winner and probably considered the best goalie in the league not too long ago.
Ask him how much he loved, or how well he did last year facing insane amounts of rubber behind one of the worst defences in the league...
- hugefemale dog77

it's tough to look strictly at stats. some defensive systems give up a large number of shots, but force the opponent to take shots from weak angles or large distances from the goal which hugely inflate save percentage. for example, the shot blocking in NY under torts. we still gave up 30+ shots a game usually, but they were mostly bad shots because all the good shooting lanes were blocked.

likewise, the rangers offense was abysmal and made holtby look like a god stats-wise but all our shots were from poopty angles or with no traffic in front. once we adjusted our system and put bodies in front, we put up 5 goals with less shots.

it's tough to look strictly at stats. some defensive systems give up a large number of shots, but force the opponent to take shots from weak angles or large distances from the goal which hugely inflate save percentage. for example, the shot blocking in NY under torts. we still gave up 30+ shots a game usually, but they were mostly bad shots because all the good shooting lanes were blocked.

likewise, the rangers offense was abysmal and made holtby look like a god stats-wise but all our shots were from poopty angles or with no traffic in front. once we adjusted our system and put bodies in front, we put up 5 goals with less shots.
- rangerdanger94

Agree with the part about stats dont tell the whole story...

But i will tell you unequivocally the bolded was NOT the case with the oilers last year...brutal defence and quality chance after quality chance.

And from the small amount i saw of buffalo, i think the same could be said of miller season.

Dubnyk was brutal last night, and the reason we lost the game. But he's also earned the number 1 by solid play and quality numbers behind a pretty awful defensive team.

Side note; ference and joensuu

Agree with the part about stats dont tell the whole story...

But i will tell you unequivocally the bolded was NOT the case with the oilers last year...brutal defence and quality chance after quality chance.

And from the small amount i saw of buffalo, i think the same could be said of miller season.

Dubnyk was brutal last night, and the reason we lost the game. But he's also earned the number 1 by solid play and quality numbers behind a pretty awful defensive team.

Side note; ference and joensuu
- hugefemale dog77

i trust you because my point was that you can only really know how good a goalie truly is by watching him every single game over the course of a season or 2.

with that said, is giving up weak goals in crucial times at games -- regardless of how many epic robberies he commits in those same crucial teams -- a common issue for dubnyk?