So there has to be tiers now to the Flyers 7th, 8th, 9th dmen?

My gosh, if anyone goes down Gus would be first up. Quite frankly if Meszaros keeps looking like a shell of himself I would expect Gus will be in there in short order.
- PLindbergh31

Gus and Gill are just very different players. If a puck mover goes down to injury, Like Streit, obviously Gus will dress no question. But if a shot blocker goes down, Gill seems the obvious choice to fill in. I think the point is that the Flyers have options and Gus isn't necessarily, despite being considered the "7th D-man" on the depth chart, the automatic net guy in line.

So was Dave Schultz.
- johndewar

Schultz actually scored 20 goals one season and took a regular shift on the 3rd line of championship team. He was a bit more than just a goon.

That's my point. These guys could play.

Guys like Rosehill and Rinaldo (and countless) others serve no purpose in the NHL other than their fists. They're not hockey players, they're brawlers.
- bradleyc4

Theyre not Hockey players in your opinion. Which you're entitled to, but in my opinion, they are Hockey players. Rinaldo is a player that was used at times last year in defensive situations playing against top lines. He has developed his game more and more every year.

Ahhh.... The future. Gill's presence will have an enormous impact on the Future.

In fact, I think Gill will be Mayor!
- PLindbergh31

HEY!!!!

That's my point. These guys could play.

Guys like Rosehill and Rinaldo (and countless) others serve no purpose in the NHL other than their fists. They're not hockey players, they're brawlers.
- bradleyc4

Rinaldo is more of an agitator than a brawler and he draws a lot of penalties. He also throws big hits that can and do change momentum. I would't lump him in with Rosehill.

HEY!!!!
- mayorofangrytown

Ahhh.... The future. Gill's presence will have an enormous impact on the Future.

In fact, I think Gill will be Mayor!
- PLindbergh31

Not the future of the team, but what might happen in the future to the team personell. So maybe try again.

HEY!!!!
- mayorofangrytown

Damn MOAT, some 6'7 dude is after your job!

Schultz actually scored 20 goals one season and took a regular shift on the 3rd line of championship team. He was a bit more than just a goon.
- BiggE

Yup, I know.

I was making the point that just because a guy was a scorer in junior hockey doesn't absolve that player from being a one-dimensional face breaker in the NHL.

Schultz is often portrayed as the poster boy of the 70's goon, so when he threw out Semenko's junior numbers, I felt obliged to mention Schultzie's surgeon like hands in junior hockey.

Theyre not Hockey players in your opinion. Which you're entitled to, but in my opinion, they are Hockey players. Rinaldo is a player that was used at times last year in defensive situations playing against top lines. He has developed his game more and more every year.
- MJL

Question: what's with you always capitalizing the word Hockey?

Huh, the flyers are the 4th oldest team in the league
- funmaster18

Thanks to Gill, Kimmo and Streit. Pronger is included too, I guess.

Rinaldo is more of an agitator than a brawler and he draws a lot of penalties. He also throws big hits that can and do change momentum. I would't lump him in with Rosehill.
- BiggE

I think Zac has more hockey in him too. I don't even think Rosehill is totally unable to play, but let's be real here. The guy's averaged under six minutes a game at the NHL level, he's a time out on skates when he's on his game.

Theyre not Hockey players in your opinion. Which you're entitled to, but in my opinion, they are Hockey players. Rinaldo is a player that was used at times last year in defensive situations playing against top lines. He has developed his game more and more every year.
- MJL

Rinaldo definitely has a lot more skill and speed than people give him credit for. Can't say the same about Rosehill. Haven't seen him play enough.

Rinaldo definitely has a lot more skill and speed than people give him credit for. Can't say the same about Rosehill. Haven't seen him play enough.
- mcefalu

Rosehill is what he is. A depth forward who can also fill the enforcer role.

Thanks to Gill, Kimmo and Streit.
- Feanor

They may be averaging in Pronger too.
However with Couturier, both Schenns, Voracek, Giroux, Simmonds, Laughton, Rinaldo, Gus and Mason all being 25 or younger, I'm not that concerned.

Damn MOAT, some 6'7 dude is after your job!

- BiggE

He'll never get it. I'm the Hide & Seek Champion. I have three girlfriends who still aren't sure if we broke up and I've been married for 20 yrs.

Not the future of the team, but what might happen in the future to the team personell. So maybe try again.
- MJL

What's going to happen to the teams personnel in the future? No one is going to get injured.

I'm choosing optimism!

The one dimensional goon started in the 80s, When the league absorbed the WHA in 1979 and went to 21 teams, they were still getting nearly all of the players from Canada and their just weren't enough NHL caliber players available. It seemed every team in the 80s had one or 2 of those type of guys.
- BiggE

Goons started in the 80's was perfected in the 90's declined in the 00's and became obsolete in the 10's.

But back to the point that this started from someone saying 70's was old time hockey then the rebuttal that old time hockey meant a time before hockey was violent.... There was violence before the invent of goons and the bullies. Hockey was always a "dirty" rough game. Lots of slashes, pokes, trips. If it seemed more elegant its only because the game was slower. Less body protection meant lighter hits. And players today are just so much more athletic.

What's going to happen to the teams personnel in the future? No one is going to get injured.

I'm choosing optimism!
- PLindbergh31

Nope, not injuries. Although that could be part of it. 3 for a dollar?

That's my point. Those guys could play.

Guys like Rosehill and Rinaldo (and countless) others serve no purpose in the NHL other than their fists. They're not hockey players, they're brawlers.
- bradleyc4

Disagree on Zack Rinaldo...he has continued to develop as a 3rd/4th line player...I think he is only like 190...so he is not one of these "big" goons...yes, he drops the gloves, but he has a ton of hockey skill too...

Rinaldo definitely has a lot more skill and speed than people give him credit for. Can't say the same about Rosehill. Haven't seen him play enough.
- mcefalu

Rosehill is like Shelley... his real value is suiting up as the 8th-dman in practice, and cheerleading with his suit on between periods and after games... and occasionally getting into a hockey fight.

Gus and Gill are just very different players. If a puck mover goes down to injury, Like Streit, obviously Gus will dress no question. But if a shot blocker goes down, Gill seems the obvious choice to fill in. I think the point is that the Flyers have options and Gus isn't necessarily, despite being considered the "7th D-man" on the depth chart, the automatic net guy in line.
- mcefalu

Did Gill get any better as the preseason wore on?

Because he looked absolutely terrible against the Leafs.

He'll never get it. I'm the Hide & Seek Champion. I have three girlfriends who still aren't sure if we broke up and I've been married for 20 yrs.
- mayorofangrytown

Actually, he's the perfect Penguin goalie.

Last 2 years regular season:
11/12 - 92.0 SV%, 2.49 GAA
12/13 - 92.0 SV%, 1.93 GAA

Last 2 years regular playoffs:
11/12 - 86.5 SV%, 4.34 GAA
12/13 - 83.8 SV%, 5.45 GAA
- jmatchett383

Then really, stop watching the games until he gets fired. Why watch this horribly coached wreck of a team?

You seem like the kid who couldn't wait to scream, "BRYZ YOU SUCK!" after he made a nice kick save int he season opener last year. Not a damn thing's happened, yet you just want to complain about a problem from year's past.
- jmatchett383

Actually i supported Bryz...I think they should get rid of lavy because no goalie has a chance playing behind this system. Ill watch this team because i love hockey and the flyers org...doesnt mean i have to agree blindly to what the coach is preeching to these guys,