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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 7 @ 10:35 AM ET
It's almost impossible for us to perform worse really. So far with preseason and reg season we have 1 split squad win..
- Hextall271


it was a shootout win, if I'm not mistaken.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:35 AM ET
So what's Berube's system that will be so vastly different from Lavy's? Or are we thinking Flyers will bring someone else in after a few games for HC?
- mcefalu


I don't think that's going to be the case.

My guess is that they simplify things like they did down the stretch last year.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 7 @ 10:36 AM ET
Yeah, no clue how it's going to work.

Maybe Berube has a good plan for this team.

I know one thing, like I mentioned earlier, regression is going to be his best friend and likely make his impact look more than what it really is.

- bradleyc4


I don't think regression's going to help him much -- they're not even generating the right kinds of shots that lead to goals, off sustained possession in the offensive end, or even off the rush.

A prime example was yesterday, when Voracek should've absolutely teed one up from 20 feet out, in the slot, on an odd-man break. Instead, he passed it off to Giroux.

I have serious concerns about the overall hockey IQ of the roster as it currently stands, top to bottom.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:36 AM ET
Stub hub. 16 INCLUDING all fees. talk about cheap
- nastyflyergirl



that's (frank)ing incredible.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 7 @ 10:36 AM ET
Hahah (frank)ed that one up..
- jak521



It happens to all of us
TS_Downes
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Laurel Springs, NJ
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 7 @ 10:36 AM ET
Ironic that lavy is fired after a loss to Carolina ...
- JoeRussomanno


How is it ironic?? I think the word you are looking for is coincidental.

tpd11
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 05.22.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:37 AM ET
The Flyers brass are secretly grooming Brian Boucher in Switzerland to take over as the new head coach in 2014-15.
- Moose_15

You mean Guy Boucher don't you. The 1-3-1 would look good in Philly. Lol
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:37 AM ET
They're not good at enough at getting the puck through the neutral zone and into the offensive zone with possession.

Yes, obviously if you're hemmed in your own zone, you're going to rack up hit and blocked shot totals. It's all connected. But Rinaldo has a track record at not being good with the puck. And I don't buy into the myth of "momentum changing hits".

- bradleyc4

He didnt look out of place with Couts and Schenn last night. Hell he did a damn good job at getting pucks to the front of the net.. a few very good chances.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 7 @ 10:37 AM ET
I don't think that's going to be the case.

My guess is that they simplify things like they did down the stretch last year.

- johndewar


I agree. Whats the point in changing coaches if the system remains the same. I think it's pretty clear that system won't work with this team.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Oct 7 @ 10:37 AM ET
Look at the goal on the Schenn giveaway. The Center, Couturier is coming back deep for a short outlet pass in the middle. Remind you of anything?
- MJL

yea, that carle could have been making that pass w/ more of a clue and that we'd still have JVR...
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 7 @ 10:37 AM ET
I don't think that's going to be the case.

My guess is that they simplify things like they did down the stretch last year.

- johndewar


My guess is that will be the first step. I also think that this puts the players on notice that if things don;t pick up, they're the next to go.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:37 AM ET
How is it ironic?? I think the word you are looking for is coincidental.
- TS_Downes

seriously?
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:37 AM ET
I don't think regression's going to help him much -- they're not even generating the right kinds of shots that lead to goals, off sustained possession in the offensive end, or even off the rush.

A prime example was yesterday, when Voracek should've absolutely teed one up from 20 feet out, in the slot, on an odd-man break. Instead, he passed it off to Giroux.

I have serious concerns about the overall hockey IQ of the roster as it currently stands, top to bottom.

- AllInForFlyers


They're shooting 2.4% at even strength. That won't continue.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:38 AM ET
My guess is that will be the first step. I also think that this puts the players on notice that if things don;t pick up, they're the next to go.
- Jsaquella

I just hope that they can get back to having some fun out there.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Oct 7 @ 10:38 AM ET
Ironic that lavy is fired after a loss to Carolina ...
- JoeRussomanno

hexy's getting closer to his dream job, eh?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:38 AM ET
They're shooting 2.4% at even strength. That won't continue.
- bradleyc4

Ovenchicken has morr goles than the Friars so far this seazun
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 7 @ 10:39 AM ET
He didnt look out of place with Couts and Schenn last night. Hell he did a damn good job at getting pucks to the front of the net.. a few very good chances.
- jak521


I liked Rinaldo last night. He's the one guy who tries to simplify things. They almost scored when he threw the puck purposely to the left pad of khudobon.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:39 AM ET
is the press conference on line?
- Hextall271

Baicker says it'll be on CSNPhilly.com
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 7 @ 10:39 AM ET
hexy's getting closer to his dream job, eh?
- isaiah520


Steve Mason has Hexy's dream job
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:39 AM ET
hexy's getting closer to his dream job, eh?
- isaiah520


I think Hexy was in Holmgren's office this morning, taking measurements and trying to find a good spot to put his Conn Smythe trophy.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:39 AM ET
I don't think that's going to be the case.

My guess is that they simplify things like they did down the stretch last year.

- johndewar


It seemed to work, although it was effective for the call-ups at the time. I would hope the vets would be able to excel in a simplified system of some kind
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 7 @ 10:39 AM ET
They're shooting 2.4% at even strength. That won't continue.
- bradleyc4


That's true -- but if you're playing Zac Rinaldo more minutes, which some are advocating, we're not exactly getting Brett Hull and Teemu Selanne on the ice.

Again, people make the mistake of equating "hard work" with "production."

Brett Hull and Teemu Selanne play hard, folks. The only difference is when they get a puck in the slot, it's labeled for a corner. When Jay Rosehill gets it, it's headed for the glass.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 7 @ 10:40 AM ET
Baicker says it'll be on CSNPhilly.com
- BulliesPhan87


It's on TV and online
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 7 @ 10:40 AM ET
They're shooting 2.4% at even strength. That won't continue.
- bradleyc4


Yea, but it's not exactly like they are real testers.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:40 AM ET
That dismisses Rinaldo's obvious physical ability, and seems to state that his hitting game is simply because he's on the 4th line.
- MJL



It's not a knock on Rinaldo as a player, he's just being put into a position where his line has no recourse but to continually take the body because they're not able to win the puck back with regularity.

Rinaldo's going to get a lot of hits no matter who he plays with, but he's not going to get like double-digit hits per game if his linemates could actually play the game at an NHL level.
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