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jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:54 AM ET
actually wouldn't it be the latest? since he should have been fired last year?
- 2Real

This is actually funny
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:54 AM ET
i don't see that. coach overhaul is enough for now.
- hammarby31


I hope you're right, but a silly trade is one of the only bullets Holmgren's got left in the chamber.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 7 @ 10:54 AM ET
Not the lost assests, but it's hurt the team because they haven't had a true #1 since.

Timonen is phenomenal, but not an elite defender like Pronger.

- bradleyc4


They should have offered Suter more money. He's turned out to be worth it in every way.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:54 AM ET
Not the lost assests, but it's hurt the team because they haven't had a true #1 since.

Timonen is phenomenal, but not an elite defender like Pronger.

- bradleyc4



That package could have gotten them Pietrangelo or Karlsson or Subban or just about anybody in the league not named Crosby/OV/Malkin/Stamkos. Instead, they opted to go for the guy who was past his prime, with a history of major injuries, as a shortcut to the Cup.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:54 AM ET
Homer should not be making any more moves IMO. Unless we completely turn this around, and it was proven that it's only the coach's fault, he should be replaced.
- Hextall271

I am sure Snider is in contact with Hexy
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:55 AM ET
http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=685799

Official

- Jsaquella

I like the fact that they have Paddock as an Assistant as well..
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 7 @ 10:55 AM ET
I hope you're right, but a silly trade is one of the only bullets Holmgren's got left in the chamber.
- johndewar


I really just don't want the same thing as last year to happen. Team falls out of contention. All veteran trade assets get injured. Team goes on late run to secure middle round pick.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:55 AM ET
They should have offered Suter more money. He's turned out to be worth it in every way.
- PhillySportsGuy


I agree, but I don't think it was the lack of cash, but where he wanted to go.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:55 AM ET
They should have offered Suter more money. He's turned out to be worth it in every way.
- PhillySportsGuy


I agree, I was a huge Suter supporter.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 7 @ 10:56 AM ET
I am sure Snider is in contact with Hexy
- vejim


You mean down the hallway?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:56 AM ET
I don't think blocked shots are a bad thing to be leading the league in as long as your very low in shots on goal.

If you are high in both departments, teams are shootings a lot of pucks at your net. It also means the blocked shots are more a product of the total, not the team being good at it.

- PhillySportsGuy



Blocking shots is part of the function of being a good defensive team. There's a lot of factors that go into both. Neither can be blindly looked at to come to assumptions about a team.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:56 AM ET
That package could have gotten them Pietrangelo or Karlsson or Subban or just about anybody in the league not named Crosby/OV/Malkin/Stamkos. Instead, they opted to go for the guy who was past his prime, with a history of major injuries, as a shortcut to the Cup.
- Tomahawk


I don't think that package could have netted them a elite defender in his early 20's.
mikel33
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 08.09.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:56 AM ET
http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=685799

Official

- Jsaquella


I see no mention of "interim". So this is a full fledged replacement..?
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:56 AM ET
I like the fact that they have Paddock as an Assistant as well..
- jak521


Wouldn't it be a more logical choice to have Paddock as the Head coach?
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Oct 7 @ 10:56 AM ET
I really just don't want the same thing as last year to happen. Team falls out of contention. All veteran trade assets get injured. Team goes on late run to secure middle round pick.
- PhillySportsGuy

fail for ekblad!
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:56 AM ET
http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=685799

Official

- Jsaquella


So no interim tag for the chief
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:57 AM ET
My problem with the coach firing is that I'm not convinced it will serve as an appropriate "wake up call" for the players. If anything, I could see the coaching change just giving them an excuse for further poor performances.

The first game of the season, this team showed some real positives. They came out skating hard and hustling and won their fair share of puck battles. They had a lot of scoring chances.

The next two games they looked terrible. Little to no effort all around (with a few exceptions, Vinny, Matt Read) and just played really sloppy and lethargic hockey. To me that speaks more about the players than the coach.

I'm not saying a coaching change wasn't justified, I just don't know if it's going to fix anything. I hope that "simplifying" the system will yield results. We'll see what kind of group we're dealing with over the next few games.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Oct 7 @ 10:57 AM ET
How does Paul Holmgren keep his job?

Bad trades.
Bad free agent signings.
Fires his coach too late.

How is this guy still your GM??

- maaddmike


Turned around team after worst season in franchise history, built a roster that made it OT of Game 6 of Stanley Cup final in 2010, posted 100-plus point seasons in 2010-11 and 2011-12, beat Pittsburgh in 2012 playoffs. Also has cache as a former player, assistant coach, head coach (that got team within two games of a Cup Final), assistant GM and now GM.

Is he infallible? By all means no.
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:57 AM ET
Berube has been named head coach. No interim tag.

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=21134
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 7 @ 10:57 AM ET
I agree, but I don't think it was the lack of cash, but where he wanted to go.
- Hextall271


If they blew him away with Weber money, it could have been done. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

Weber didn't look great without Suter, but Suter looked great without Weber. We may end up being glad Nashville matched.
phillydentist
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.20.2013

Oct 7 @ 10:58 AM ET
Couple of thoughts.

1 - Vegas is always right. Well most times.

2 - We have 2 former goons running the organization now in Holmgren and Berube and I am jealous we don't have someone like Yzerman as GM.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:58 AM ET
I see no mention of "interim". So this is a full fledged replacement..?
- mikel33

if he's a full fledged replacement homer is the next to get fired
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:58 AM ET
So no interim tag for the chief
- funmaster18


It's implied.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 7 @ 10:58 AM ET
I see no mention of "interim". So this is a full fledged replacement..?
- mikel33


Full fledged replacement.

Also I was mistaken, Berube was HC of the Phantoms for a full season, and did a decent job
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:58 AM ET
I don't think that package could have netted them a elite defender in his early 20's.
- bradleyc4



Erik Johnson (and Shattenkirk) and Jack Johnson were traded for less, while they were still highly sought after.
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