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mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:58 AM ET
They should have offered Suter more money. He's turned out to be worth it in every way.
- PhillySportsGuy


I'm not sure offering Suter the biggest contract in the league would have gotten him to come to Philly. Flyers would have had to have gotten both Suter and Parise, since they wanted to play together
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Oct 7 @ 10:58 AM ET
I agree, I was a huge Suter supporter.
- bradleyc4

nah, weber was carrying him...oh, wait...
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:58 AM ET
He came with a pretty significant injury history, though. It wasn't some dumb stroke of bad luck out of left field.
- Tomahawk


6'7" Pronger bent over and taking a stick to the eye and ending his career...that's almost the definition of dumb stroke of bad luck.

Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:58 AM ET
You mean down the hallway?
- PhillySportsGuy


Hexy and Snider won't be at the press conference because they are at ikea looking at new furniture for hexy's new GM office.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:58 AM ET
Couple of thoughts.

1 - Vegas is always right. Well most times.

2 - We have 2 former goons running the organization now in Holmgren and Berube and I am jealous we don't have someone like Yzerman as GM.

- phillydentist


seriously?

what has HE done?
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:59 AM ET
Berube has been named head coach. No interim tag.

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=21134

- BingoLady


Way Leight/laught
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 7 @ 10:59 AM ET
Turned around team after worst season in franchise history, built a roster that made it OT of Game 6 of Stanley Cup final in 2010, posted 100-plus point seasons in 2010-11 and 2011-12, beat Pittsburgh in 2012 playoffs. Also has cache as a former player, assistant coach, head coach (that got team within two games of a Cup Final), assistant GM and now GM.

Is he infallible? By all means no.

- bmeltzer


I think the point is that Homer has done more good than bad for this team. He's creeping closer and closer towards equilibrium though.
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:59 AM ET
Way Leight/laught
- funmaster18

enjoy 30th
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:59 AM ET
nah, weber was carrying him...oh, wait...
- isaiah520


i know

oh well, people only hear what they want to hear.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 7 @ 10:59 AM ET
Hexy and Snider won't be at the press conference because they are at ikea looking at new furniture for hexy's new GM office.
- Hextall271


Haha. That should be a sketch written.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:59 AM ET
It's implied.
- bradleyc4


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 7 @ 11:00 AM ET
They're not good at enough at getting the puck through the neutral zone and into the offensive zone with possession.

Yes, obviously if you're hemmed in your own zone, you're going to rack up hit and blocked shot totals. It's all connected. But Rinaldo has a track record at not being good with the puck. And I don't buy into the myth of "momentum changing hits".

- bradleyc4



It's not a myth, it happens. Such as Giroux's hit in the beginning of the playoff game a few years ago against Pittsburhg. It can definitely fire up a bench and help change momentum. The Flyers aren't good enough at a lot of things. And the biggest thing they aren't good enough at right now, you won't find in advanced stats. And that's competitiveness.
mikel33
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 08.09.2007

Oct 7 @ 11:00 AM ET
Full fledged replacement.

Also I was mistaken, Berube was HC of the Phantoms for a full season, and did a decent job

- Jsaquella


So can we determine from that what style system he implemented?
clark_griswold
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: JVR_42_PK81
Joined: 01.10.2013

Oct 7 @ 11:00 AM ET
Wish I could say the same about the leafs.
- youarewrong


Yes. im sure you'd rather see a TB FLA matchup than the leafs involved or the flyers, bruins,habs etc....
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 11:00 AM ET
nah, weber was carrying him...oh, wait...
- isaiah520


In retrospect, I bet the Preds feel they should have taken a deal or picks for Weber and kept Suter.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 7 @ 11:00 AM ET
enjoy 30th
- BingoLady


Oh my gaude, You're so funny
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 7 @ 11:01 AM ET
6'7" Pronger bent over and taking a stick to the eye and ending his career...that's almost the definition of dumb stroke of bad luck.
- wolfhounds



If it wasn't the head/eye, it would have been the back, the knees, anything else that goes early on most big old guys (like Rathje/Hatcher).

They were actually lucky in a way that it was career-ending and they could stash him on LTIR... imagine if he deteriorated due to age/injury and they couldn't replace him.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 7 @ 11:01 AM ET
Couple of thoughts.

1 - Vegas is always right. Well most times.

2 - We have 2 former goons running the organization now in Holmgren and Berube and I am jealous we don't have someone like Yzerman as GM.

- phillydentist


If the way a player played the game was indicative of the type of coach/GM they would be, Wayne Gretzky would be the Capo di tutti capi of all coaches, and yet his teams never made the playoffs.

MrBigglesworth
Location: PA
Joined: 01.30.2008

Oct 7 @ 11:01 AM ET
lava's firing is earliest in NHL history. so he has that going for him...which is nice.
- hammarby31


at least now he has time to focus on his bank of america lawsuit

http://articles.philly.co...coach-cn-florida-attorney
Leafsandbolts
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Bradenton, Florida, FL
Joined: 08.14.2010

Oct 7 @ 11:01 AM ET
seriously?

what has HE done?

- bradleyc4


Olympic gold medal vs silver medal.

Not so much with the Lightning.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 11:01 AM ET
They have the news conference on tv here in Canada...
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 7 @ 11:02 AM ET
enjoy 30th
- BingoLady


Hey, why not.

Penguin rebuild plan in full effect.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 7 @ 11:02 AM ET
I'm not sure offering Suter the biggest contract in the league would have gotten him to come to Philly. Flyers would have had to have gotten both Suter and Parise, since they wanted to play together
- mcefalu


Money talks, my friend.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 7 @ 11:02 AM ET
If it wasn't the head/eye, it would have been the back, the knees, anything else that goes early on most big old guys (like Rathje/Hatcher).

They were actually lucky in a way that it was career-ending and they could stash him on LTIR... imagine if he deteriorated due to age/injury and they couldn't replace him.

- Tomahawk


Pronger was fully healthy and playing great when he suffered a freak eye injury.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 7 @ 11:02 AM ET
It's not a knock on Rinaldo as a player, he's just being put into a position where his line has no recourse but to continually take the body because they're not able to win the puck back with regularity.

Rinaldo's going to get a lot of hits no matter who he plays with, but he's not going to get like double-digit hits per game if his linemates could actually play the game at an NHL level.

- Tomahawk



You don't think Adam Hall, or Couturier, can play the NHL game? Rinaldo had 10 hits playing on a line with Couturier and B Schenn.
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