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nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 7 @ 1:02 PM ET
Homer will be on WIP at 2 per Glen
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:02 PM ET
So on which page was the Grossmann hit discussed?
I'm so glad Bill brought it up in his blog.
I'm still laughing.
Man it was the best thing that happened all game.

- FlyersGrace


I can't stop laughing at the Bogosian (frank) up.. That was awesome.. blow a tire, set it on a tee in the slot for Perry of all people?? One timer bang under crossbar.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Oct 7 @ 1:03 PM ET
With Grossmann and Hartnell hitting guys into Mason last night, I think it's evident the Flyers' players have picked their goalie: Ray Emery.
mikel33
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 08.09.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:03 PM ET
According to Bill's blog, Berube was head coach for only a handful of games with the Phantoms.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:03 PM ET
It wasn't a Bogosian (or Schenn), but he put his teammates in a tough spot there by not being competitive in the corner and losing a 50/50 puck so quickly/easily. His teammates had no time to recover.
- Tomahawk



Shouldn't need time to recover. No player is going to win every puck battle. Streit was not signed because of his stellar defensive play. Regardless of whether Streit got knocked off the puck, or not, no player should be left all alone in front of the net. Good defensive teams make up for a breakdown and help a teammate out. I'm not saying Streit doesn't deseve criticism, but he's far from alone in being the only culprit on the play. And blaming him solely on the play is incorrect.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:04 PM ET
According to Bill's blog, Berube was head coach for only a handful of games with the Phantoms.
- mikel33


Now on sportsnet 360 with Tim and Sid, they are gonna talk about Lavy for the next 3 hours.. hahah
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 1:04 PM ET
Listen, Im so sorry that you cant be excited by this...last week you were telling me to go (frank) myself when i said that this year was going to be like last because of lavy. Now that hes gone and i get excited about some fresh ideas coming to this team you are going to poop on my parade? Talk about a (frank)ing hypocrite
- PhillaBully


I just don't think the coach was the issue. I don't see how a coaching change is going to keep the defense from blindly throwing the puck away as soon as they get it, or keep Schenn from not throwing the puck up the middle, or keep the top line looking like they've never played together, or make the defense more...well, defensive.

Like I said, the coaching change is actually good, but there are MUCH deeper problems than that.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Oct 7 @ 1:04 PM ET
Listen, Im so sorry that you cant be excited by this...last week you were telling me to go (frank) myself when i said that this year was going to be like last because of lavy. Now that hes gone and i get excited about some fresh ideas coming to this team you are going to poop on my parade? Talk about a (frank)ing hypocrite
- PhillaBully

Don't worry I was an impossible to please fan this summer because I criticized the team for the moves they made... Guess the offseason wasn't so hot after all
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Oct 7 @ 1:04 PM ET
Schenn was absolutely expected to be elite. He was touted as the "best player not in the NHL" for a year. Granted, his WJC got overhyped, but it was there.
- jmatchett383

he needs more time and sticking him over at wing might push him back a little.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:05 PM ET
Schenn was absolutely expected to be elite. He was touted as the "best player not in the NHL" for a year. Granted, his WJC got overhyped, but it was there.
- jmatchett383



I disagree. He was expected to be a good player, but he never cast in the same light as true elite players such as Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, or Stamkos.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Oct 7 @ 1:05 PM ET
Homer will be on WIP at 2 per Glen
- nastyflyergirl

I'd rather just get drunk
justahockeyguy2
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 06.05.2013

Oct 7 @ 1:05 PM ET
Berube on 590 fan stressing team play and team defense. SOunds like a defensive more reponsible system is on the way!
- PhillaBully




Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull 33m
Berube will bring a more defensive style, one that creates offense off its D, Homer says.#Flyers


More defensive style. THANK GOD.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:06 PM ET
Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull 33m
Berube will bring a more defensive style, one that creates offense off its D, Homer says.#Flyers


More defensive style. THANK GOD.

- justahockeyguy2


Just are talking about how it's chaos in Philly what else is new.. hahaha
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Oct 7 @ 1:06 PM ET
Yeah.. I don't think they brought a lot of intelligent thought personally. At one point, Kypreos says, they haven't won since 74 and was corrected. The Maclean says has Berube been a HC anywhere, and he's informed yes at Adirondack. Then Maclean comes back to it after and says, he's only been coach of the Adk Phantoms.. if that's what they are called.. ?? WTF? Then they talked about how weird the culture is of always promoting guys with history with the org, and then it's pointed out the Oilers do things similarly.
- Hextall271

that guy jacks it
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Oct 7 @ 1:06 PM ET
I disagree. He was expected to be a good player, but he never cast in the same light as true elite players such as Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, or Stamkos.
- MJL

I'm not ready to bail on him but memories of pat Falloon...
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 7 @ 1:07 PM ET
Shouldn't need time to recover. No player is going to win every puck battle. Streit was not signed because of his stellar defensive play. Regardless of whether Streit got knocked off the puck, or not, no player should be left all alone in front of the net. Good defensive teams make up for a breakdown and help a teammate out. I'm not saying Streit doesn't deseve criticism, but he's far from alone in being the only culprit on the play. And blaming him solely on the play is incorrect.
- MJL



As you said, defense is a team game. Just one weak link and the entire thing is vulnerable to break.

And who's blaming Streit solely for the goal? He was on the ice for two bad goals... which was the OP's point to begin with.
mikel33
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 08.09.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:07 PM ET
Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull 33m
Berube will bring a more defensive style, one that creates offense off its D, Homer says.#Flyers


More defensive style. THANK GOD.

- justahockeyguy2


1-4
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Oct 7 @ 1:07 PM ET
Patrick Sharp also looked nothing like a top-line player when they traded him for Matt Ellison... some guys are worth the wait.

Schenn's was PPG in the PO's and was PPG to start last season I believe... those are good signs.

- Tomahawk


Sharp isn't a top line player. He's grown nicely into a 2nd rounder but we all knew he was good. Schenn not so much.

I can't stand Schenn. I'm counting the seconds till he's traded.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:07 PM ET
Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull 33m
Berube will bring a more defensive style, one that creates offense off its D, Homer says.#Flyers


More defensive style. THANK GOD.

- justahockeyguy2


Thank God.. Enough with the free wheeling score fests we've been part of hahahah
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:07 PM ET
I just don't think the coach was the issue. I don't see how a coaching change is going to keep the defense from blindly throwing the puck away as soon as they get it, or keep Schenn from not throwing the puck up the middle, or keep the top line looking like they've never played together, or make the defense more...well, defensive.

Like I said, the coaching change is actually good, but there are MUCH deeper problems than that.

- jmatchett383



Schenn attempted to make the correct play, he just didn't execute it, and the pass hit off the forecheckers foot, and into the slot.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 7 @ 1:08 PM ET
I disagree. He was expected to be a good player, but he never cast in the same light as true elite players such as Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, or Stamkos.
- MJL


Taken 5th overall and considered untouchable until the Flyers offered Mike Richards. The players taken before him, as well as the 2 taken after him, have become top-flight players. I guess we define "elite" differently.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Oct 7 @ 1:08 PM ET
I'd rather just get drunk
- JoeRussomanno

"i like our team"
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Oct 7 @ 1:09 PM ET
I just don't think the coach was the issue. I don't see how a coaching change is going to keep the defense from blindly throwing the puck away as soon as they get it, or keep Schenn from not throwing the puck up the middle, or keep the top line looking like they've never played together, or make the defense more...well, defensive.

Like I said, the coaching change is actually good, but there are MUCH deeper problems than that.

- jmatchett383


Like i said its 50/50....i do think however this team is capable of playing much better. Look at the end of last year or the march bryz won player of the month and beat the shutout streak. When this team commits to playing team defense they are soooo much better. Its almost like night and day. I think the brass finally got fed up with Lavy's stubbornness and decided to make the move.
mikel33
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 08.09.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:09 PM ET
Schenn attempted to make the correct play, he just didn't execute it, and the pass hit off the forecheckers foot, and into the slot.
- MJL



What does MJL stand for? They happen to be my initials also (if they are your initials)
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 1:09 PM ET
1-4
- mikel33



I can picture Berube googling Guy Boucher's strategy while talking to the 590 guys LOL..

0-5 soccer.. Vinny.. show us the way!
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