I still want to see McGinn there
- mcefalu

Maybe with Laviolette gone, some guys he didn't appear to want to play -- McGinn being one of them -- might get a shot.

I can't believe we're going to trot out the same freaking roster that's scored three goals in three games -- two of which were on the PP -- and expect that "skating harder" is gonna make some of these guys better offensive players.

Look, thornton had 7 points in 55 games in his first year, 41 in 81 in his second, 60 in 81 in his third and 71 in 72 in his 4th. Sometimes guys take longer. I'm not ready to label Couturier or Schenn busts already.
- nastyflyergirl

Hey, me either. That's not the discussion I was having. I was just saying that when he finished up his World Junior year they were talking about him in the same echelon as Toews and Tavares who I would consider elite players in this league. I'm disappointed in what he's shown so far but I'm certainly not ready to give up on him.

To be fair I don't consider Hartnell a top line player. When I say top line player I'm referring to an elite player. Probably should have clarified that.
- Flyersgod

I think elite gets thrown out there way too much. there aren't that many "elite" players. there are stars, great players, etc but to me elite goes beyond that

To be fair I don't consider Hartnell a top line player. When I say top line player I'm referring to an elite player. Probably should have clarified that.
- Flyersgod

Gotcha. I feel like a player who can pot at least 30 goals qualifies to play on a top line, although that might put added pressure on the second line to score more. I just feel like it's somewhat rare to see multiple top lines around the league where all three guys have at least a PPG

the lack of patience with developing talent just boggles my mind. maybe Schenn ends of being a bust, maybe he doesn't, I just think its way too early to determine that. people killed JVR and wanted him gone from the time he decided to go back to college for a second year. Now people female dog and moan that the Flyers gave up on him. Drives me up a (frank)ing wall.
- nastyflyergirl

I think JVR will be decent. But unless he grows a heart, I don't see him being worthy of 2nd overall. I hate the return we got in that trade.

Berube should have been named interim head coach and see where it goes. Why give an unproven guy a big contract. I guess the flyers are loaded with cash so that is there business but in the real world you don't throw it away until it is deserved.
- flyerdude17

I suspect that they didn't want to hire a lame duck coach as the players would see him as having no authority.

I think elite gets thrown out there way too much. there aren't that many "elite" players. there are stars, great players, etc but to me elite goes beyond that
- nastyflyergirl

Everyone has there own definition.

Tomahawk, I'm not sure the average person truly understands how much they need that winger. I really don't.

They need that winger desperately.
- AllInForFlyers

just having a guy who does a better job of possessing the puck and making responsible plays would be an improvement.

I'm just glad that we got a head coach who will match up well with Patrick Roy in the rage department.
- johndewar

So I'm trying to catch up (busy morning). And man this is a gem...

Good one John!

Totally agree. I ignore comments that say players are a bust when they are really just developing. I am more concerned when the org mismanages them. JVR and Bob may have been examples although I like Luke... another player who was rushed and written off haha
- Hextall271

Yes, I do think Couturier has been misused by Lavy and I hated the way Lavy handled Bob. just my 2 cents

Best player not in NHL is not elite by no means...It means that other people in your draft class are already playing in the NHL. If he was considered elite he would have made the NHL @18 like Mackinnon
- PhillaBully

So anyone who doesn't play at 18 isn't elite? Like #4 overall Pietrangelo, for example?

Hey, me either. That's not the discussion I was having. I was just saying that when he finished up his World Junior year they were talking about him in the same echelon as Toews and Tavares who I would consider elite players in this league. I'm disappointed in what he's shown so far but I'm certainly not ready to give up on him.
- mayorofangrytown

I have this same opinion of BSchenn, and I'm a bit worried that, with the franchise in what looks like panic mode, they give up on him a bit too quickly.

So anyone who doesn't play at 18 isn't elite? Like #4 overall Pietrangelo, for example?
- jmatchett383

Not a forward = can't be elite.

we need more players like #36

Maybe with Laviolette gone, some guys he didn't appear to want to play -- McGinn being one of them -- might get a shot.

I can't believe we're going to trot out the same freaking roster that's scored three goals in three games -- two of which were on the PP -- and expect that "skating harder" is gonna make some of these guys better offensive players.
- AllInForFlyers

Let's hope. But I do feel like lack of effort/focus/a few other things aside from the coach have contributed to lack of scoring. I just watched the highlights from last night's game and I don't think I've seen the team look that lethargic in a long time. I agree that giving some of the young guys a shot early on is probably beneficial and if it doesn't work, at least they tried it

Everyone has there own definition.
- mayorofangrytown

Okay, it's fair enough. He drew comparison to Joe Thornton. So fine, he was expected to be a star playing with great vision and a potential Art Ross trophy candidate.

"Brayden is of the power-forward ilk. He has learned a little about the NHL from his older brother Luke Schenn and he knows how to go to the net. He is a threat to score at all times on the ice and dishes the puck very effectively to his linemates in getting the amount of assists that he does. He takes the puck to the net with the kind of authority that a Jonathan Cheechoo does, yet has puck dishing capacities that maybe a Joe Thornton does. Both are tough players, both are tough to move out in front of the net and Brayden fits that ilk perfectly." – EJ McGuire, Director of NHL’s Central Scoutin

I think elite gets thrown out there way too much. there aren't that many "elite" players. there are stars, great players, etc but to me elite goes beyond that
- nastyflyergirl

I agree. So completely subjective.

the lack of patience with developing talent just boggles my mind. maybe Schenn ends of being a bust, maybe he doesn't, I just think its way too early to determine that. people killed JVR and wanted him gone from the time he decided to go back to college for a second year. Now people female dog and moan that the Flyers gave up on him. Drives me up a (frank)ing wall.
- nastyflyergirl

i was def guilty of wanting JVR to get time in the A, but once he showed something against BOS, i wanted to be patient w/ him.

I think elite gets thrown out there way too much. there aren't that many "elite" players. there are stars, great players, etc but to me elite goes beyond that
- nastyflyergirl

Elite to me means the very top percentile of players... maybe top 3-5%... that's 21-35 guys in a 700 player league. Sharp gets consideration for top-50, so he's not far off.

I don't see Schenn as a top-percentile guy, but he could still easily become a David Backes type who can click w/ good linemates, produce points, and bring a host of other desirable things to the table.

I thought the self-destructive winning streak at the end of the season was supposed to instill a winning culture amongst the players? You know, the winning streak without which we would probably have had a good shot at Seth Jones?

whoops, I mean Berube will be on, not Homer. mis-read that

just having a guy who does a better job of possessing the puck and making responsible plays would be an improvement.
- isaiah520

Anybody who knows how to think offense and make a play will help -- what is happening with this team is that the third and fourth lines can't sustain or generate any offense at all.

You can't wear down a team when all you do is dump the puck in -- if you ever had it to begin with -- and try to hit someone when the puck is going the other way.

Look, thornton had 7 points in 55 games in his first year, 41 in 81 in his second, 60 in 81 in his third and 71 in 72 in his 4th. Sometimes guys take longer. I'm not ready to label Couturier or Schenn busts already.
- nastyflyergirl

Can't label them busts yet, I agree. But if Thornton is the comparison for schenn, I'm confident Schenn will be a bust.

"we are going to put some new systems in place"

At least I hear something that I liked.

Ill give him the benefit of the doubt. Lets see where they are after 20 games.

Bill, after being an assistant with the Flyers in 2006-2007, he was sent back to down to head coach the Phantoms for the 2007-2008 season.
- aightwebang17

developing him properly.