And there you have it!
- justahockeyguy2

Now Tim and Sid are saying that Homer is an unmitigated disaster and that Snider keeps picking the wrong fall guy. Also say that the team deserves the problems that will follow because they are not holding the correct people accountable.

At this point, I kind of want Holmgren out as well.
- KGBflyers10

Absolutely, Holmer needed to have a better pulse on this team with regards to the coach at the end of the year last year. Obviously there was a disconnect. Obviously Holmer ignored it by "hoping" over the offseason. What were the conversations Holmer had with Lava this summer? Any conversations addressing how Lava planned to improve the system on the ice? I dont know if the hard questions get asked in this organization.

People wonder why so many people are negative in here....

that line is a "slap in the face"







- isaiah520

That's one comparable, made by one scouting service -- I think you're clinging on to it rather tightly.

Just from watching TSN draft telecasts, we all know the comparables can get out of hand/irresponsible around that time.
- Tomahawk

The service was the head on NHL central scouting, and they're usually pretty good. But fine, he was considered to be a star. Is that more accurate?

Don't try to feed me that garbage about "competing as a team" like I just started watching hockey, MJL -- they gave up two goals yesterday. They gave up two to Toronto before that extremely late PP goal.

They've been playing hard. They've been trying to win hockey games.

They can't score. So don't try to tell me that bringing in another guy who can score is worse than playing Zac Rinaldo more minutes, because he "competes hard."
- AllInForFlyers

No, they haven't been equaling the compete level of the opposition. They were badly outworked by a small Montreal team, and by Carolina. That is the number one issue with this team, and why the Coach got fired. And you don't have to be a hockey genius to figure it out. They don't need another winger, they need to compete. And Zac Rinaldo isn't the problem.
There's a reason why they can't score. And it's not because they don't have the players to score. Agains, symptom versus true and actual cause.

And they also don't all immediately step in. Ryan Strome of the Isles was picked before Couturier, as was Mark Scheifele and neither of them has seen much NHL action prior to this year.

It's hard to justify the developmental paths the Flyers have chosen for Schenn and Couturier.

Schenn's been bounced from LW to C and back to LW. He's been up and down from the AHL. The only constant thing is, he's been in primarily a scoring line role.

Couturier has played almost exclusively with grinders and goons, yet people expect him to show offensive improvement to make his high draft position seem relevant.
- Jsaquella

Right on

So, would you consider Joe Thornton to be elite? Because that was his draft comparison.
- jmatchett383

Thornton was the #1 pick. I don't in any way shape or form Schenn was remotely expected to be the #1 pick. I don't have the draft guy handy to see all of the comparisons but I think that was a stretch. they don't seem to be the same sort of player at all.

Also, wasn't he compared to Richards at the time of the trade? how do you get compared to Thornton then Richards?

Bolland snuck up behind them on what was a line rush that ended up behind the net... you're grasping at straws here.
- Tomahawk

Really? I'm grasping at straws stating that a player shouldn't be left uncovered at the net, while 3 other players are just enjoying their view? Seriously, this is pee wee level stuff.

The service was the head on NHL central scouting, and they're usually pretty good. But fine, he was considered to be a star. Is that more accurate?
- jmatchett383

Potential-star -- but somehow that gets translated into sure-fire star.

As if scouting services, team scouts and talking heads could predict any of this with any degree of certainty outside of the obvious "can't miss" guys.

I just listened to the Berube interview.. and thinking about a Berube/Lappy one two gets me pumped. These are heart and soul guys who played hockey because they had the guts to do things other wouldnt ever be able to do... Thats EXACTLY what we need a serious influx of. Bring on the (frank)ing Panthers!

Thornton was the #1 pick. I don't in any way shape or form Schenn was remotely expected to be the #1 pick. I don't have the draft guy handy to see all of the comparisons but I think that was a stretch. they don't seem to be the same sort of player at all.

Also, wasn't he compared to Richards at the time of the trade? how do you get compared to Thornton then Richards?
- nastyflyergirl

because you might be elite and be a mold of both players?

Really? I'm grasping at straws stating that a player shouldn't be left uncovered at the net, while 3 other players are just enjoying their view?
- MJL

Yes.

I just listened to the Berube interview.. and thinking about a Berube/Lappy one two gets me pumped. These are heart and soul guys who played hockey because they had the guts to do things other wouldnt ever be able to do... Thats EXACTLY what we need a serious influx of. Bring on the (frank)ing Panthers!
- jak521

I feel the same way...Talking about team defense and playing without the puck made me feel optimistic,

Potential-star -- but somehow that gets translated into sure-fire star.

As if scouting services, team scouts and talking heads could predict any of this with any degree of certainty outside of the obvious "can't miss" guys.
- Tomahawk

Well, yes, that was the argument. What was he projected as. He was projected as a "future star."

Thornton was the #1 pick. I don't in any way shape or form Schenn was remotely expected to be the #1 pick. I don't have the draft guy handy to see all of the comparisons but I think that was a stretch. they don't seem to be the same sort of player at all.

Also, wasn't he compared to Richards at the time of the trade? how do you get compared to Thornton then Richards?
- nastyflyergirl

Even if we compare to richy, I don't think he ever comes close to that potential.

Richards would be a better comparison though. Size wize etc. Richy had more grit and swagger, and talent for that matter.

Absolutely, Holmer needed to have a better pulse on this team with regards to the coach at the end of the year last year. Obviously there was a disconnect. Obviously Holmer ignored it by "hoping" over the offseason. What were the conversations Holmer had with Lava this summer? Any conversations addressing how Lava planned to improve the system on the ice? I dont know if the hard questions get asked in this organization.

People wonder why so many people are negative in here....
- Just5

He was too loyal to the guy he brought in and almost win him a Cup.

Here's what going to happen, if the Flyers don't acquire another winger who can score and another defenseman who can move the puck:

They will continue to struggle to score. They will continue to lose games.

All those who continue to believe that the Flyers have lost 10 games since the preseason has started, coming off a non-playoff season in which they were horrific at even-strength, is because "they're getting outworked," you're not going to have a lot of fun the rest of this season until the Flyers upgrade the skill and offensive ability of this team.

It's that simple. They're not getting outworked. They're getting outskilled and outscored.

And we'll see who's right, starting tomorrow night.

He sees that the team didn't commit to playing effectively without the puck.. It's not goaltending at all. D leads to good O, . What we've all been saying so far.
- Hextall271

I agree.
Plus, he's a snappy dresser.

Really? I'm grasping at straws stating that a player shouldn't be left uncovered at the net, while 3 other players are just enjoying their view? Seriously, this is pee wee level stuff.
- MJL

So when we have the puck in our dzone we should cover the forecheckers? Man I'd love tp see thatdefense.

Here's what going to happen, if the Flyers don't acquire another winger who can score and another defenseman who can move the puck:

They will continue to struggle to score. They will continue to lose games.

All those who continue to believe that the Flyers have lost 10 games since the preseason has started, coming off a non-playoff season in which they were horrific at even-strength, is because "they're getting outworked," you're not going to have a lot of fun the rest of this season until the Flyers upgrade the skill and offensive ability of this team.

It's that simple. They're not getting outworked. They're getting outskilled and outscored.

And we'll see who's right, starting tomorrow night.
- AllInForFlyers

Pretty sure the bad turnovers and lack of a transition game have something to do with it too.

Thornton was the #1 pick. I don't in any way shape or form Schenn was remotely expected to be the #1 pick. I don't have the draft guy handy to see all of the comparisons but I think that was a stretch. they don't seem to be the same sort of player at all.

Also, wasn't he compared to Richards at the time of the trade? how do you get compared to Thornton then Richards?
- nastyflyergirl

They are all left handed forwards who are Canadian. I find it hard to tell them apart.

Absolutely, Holmer needed to have a better pulse on this team with regards to the coach at the end of the year last year. Obviously there was a disconnect. Obviously Holmer ignored it by "hoping" over the offseason. What were the conversations Holmer had with Lava this summer? Any conversations addressing how Lava planned to improve the system on the ice? I dont know if the hard questions get asked in this organization.

People wonder why so many people are negative in here....
- Just5

Keep in mind the GM always has a longer leash that the head coach. Look at Gillis in Vancouver and Feaster in Calgary. They still have their jobs but have made many questionable transactions, especially Gillis by trading Hodgson and Schneider and the way he handled Luongo. Homer tries real hard and really wants to win and he has a human side to him which I like. I sincerely hope things work out for him. If anything Homer's biggest downfall is he is too loyal and that is not a bad thing. I still like him.

So when we have the puck in our dzone we should cover the forecheckers? Man I'd love tp see thatdefense.
- Flyersgod

HIT SAM BADDY!

At this point, I kind of want Holmgren out as well.
- KGBflyers10

Hextall wasn't brought back to be the assistant forever. It's just a matter of time.

Well, yes, that was the argument. What was he projected as. He was projected as a "future star."
- jmatchett383

I hate myself for being on the same side of the debate with you.

I'm almost tempted to flip flop just to argue with you!