wow I have gotten no work done today

Well, yes, that was the argument. What was he projected as. He was projected as a "future star."
- jmatchett383

The highest imaginable ceiling is the currency of draft day... most players don't even make it into the league, much less hit/surpass their ceilings.

Schenn's already an unqualified NHL-level player, who's reasonably productive for a 22-year-old in a top-six role on a supposedly deep team. He's put together a great PO run before, and he's produced at a point-per-game clip early last season. That's pretty darned good already with still plenty of apparent room for improvement.

He's no Angelo Esposito or Patrik Stefan.

Here's what going to happen, if the Flyers don't acquire another winger who can score and another defenseman who can move the puck:

They will continue to struggle to score. They will continue to lose games.

All those who continue to believe that the Flyers have lost 10 games since the preseason has started, coming off a non-playoff season in which they were horrific at even-strength, is because "they're getting outworked," you're not going to have a lot of fun the rest of this season until the Flyers upgrade the skill and offensive ability of this team.

It's that simple. They're not getting outworked. They're getting outskilled and outscored.

And we'll see who's right, starting tomorrow night.
- AllInForFlyers

I think they've been badly outworked in each of the last two games.

As for outworked dating to last year, in some cases, yeah, but I think last year they spent so much energy being overaggressive that it looked worse than it really is.

They're not the most talented team in the world, but they are far from the least. There's plenty of teams with less talent that have had more success in the last couple years.

I hate myself for being on the same side of the debate with you.

I'm almost tempted to flip flop just to argue with you!
- Flyersgod

Happens to the best (and worst) of us.

Here's what going to happen, if the Flyers don't acquire another winger who can score and another defenseman who can move the puck:

They will continue to struggle to score. They will continue to lose games.

All those who continue to believe that the Flyers have lost 10 games since the preseason has started, coming off a non-playoff season in which they were horrific at even-strength, is because "they're getting outworked," you're not going to have a lot of fun the rest of this season until the Flyers upgrade the skill and offensive ability of this team.

It's that simple. They're not getting outworked. They're getting outskilled and outscored.

And we'll see who's right, starting tomorrow night.
- AllInForFlyers

their systems are screwed though and they are disorganized and mostly skating in mud, so while i agree w/ the type of personnel they need, it's more than that.

HIT SAM BADDY!
- jmatchett383

I don't get it

The highest imaginable ceiling is what is the currency of draft day... most players don't even make it into the league, much less hit/surpass their ceilings.

Schenn's already an unqualified NHL-level player, who's reasonably productive for a 22-year-old in a top-six role on a supposedly deep team. He's put together a great PO run before, and he's produced at a point-per-game clip early last season. That's pretty darned good already with still plenty of apparent room for improvement.

He's no Angelo Esposito or Patrik Stefan.
- Tomahawk

That's my point; Stefan and (to a lesser extent by draft day) Esposito were projected as stars. They weren't. Schenn was projected as a star. The jury's still out on him.

I just listened to the Berube interview.. and thinking about a Berube/Lappy one two gets me pumped. These are heart and soul guys who played hockey because they had the guts to do things other wouldnt ever be able to do... Thats EXACTLY what we need a serious influx of. Bring on the (frank)ing Panthers!
- jak521

I was really impressed with the way Lappy ran rookie camp based on all of the video footage

Did they expect him to grow 4 inches and add 40 pounds in his late teens?
- Feanor

Yes. That's exactly what they expected. 4 inches and 40 pounds.

jeez.

I don't get it
- Flyersgod

Sit in the top 5 rows of the 200 level and listen to the fans screaming for the Flyers to "HIT SOMEBODY." It's how you win games, by hitting everything that moves and paying no attention to the puck.

Yes. That's exactly what they expected. 4 inches and 40 pounds.

jeez.
- mayorofangrytown

That's what she said.

The highest imaginable ceiling is what is the currency of draft day... most players don't even make it into the league, much less hit/surpass their ceilings.

Schenn's already an unqualified NHL-level player, who's reasonably productive for a 22-year-old in a top-six role on a supposedly deep team. He's put together a great PO run before, and he's produced at a point-per-game clip early last season. That's pretty darned good already with still plenty of apparent room for improvement.

He's no Angelo Esposito or Patrik Stefan.
- Tomahawk

Wish I felt that. All I see is a giant odorless turd waiting for an unexpecting shoe to step on it.

I'd rather trade him now while he has any value, than hold onto him and get nothing later on.

Here's what going to happen, if the Flyers don't acquire another winger who can score and another defenseman who can move the puck:

They will continue to struggle to score. They will continue to lose games.

All those who continue to believe that the Flyers have lost 10 games since the preseason has started, coming off a non-playoff season in which they were horrific at even-strength, is because "they're getting outworked," you're not going to have a lot of fun the rest of this season until the Flyers upgrade the skill and offensive ability of this team.

It's that simple. They're not getting outworked. They're getting outskilled and outscored.

I respectfully disagree. The sh$t has now hit the fan and all the players may have new rolls as the new coach takes over. I am sure the work ethic will be there tomorrow as players try to prove their value and where they belong. It may take a few games and after a couple weeks if things are still bad then there are probably going to be some trades to change the chemistry. Hopefully not because when you are down it is hard to get fair market value unless you are dealing with a team in a similar position of humility, lol.
And we'll see who's right, starting tomorrow night.
- AllInForFlyers

Here's what going to happen, if the Flyers don't acquire another winger who can score and another defenseman who can move the puck:

They will continue to struggle to score. They will continue to lose games.

All those who continue to believe that the Flyers have lost 10 games since the preseason has started, coming off a non-playoff season in which they were horrific at even-strength, is because "they're getting outworked," you're not going to have a lot of fun the rest of this season until the Flyers upgrade the skill and offensive ability of this team.

It's that simple. They're not getting outworked. They're getting outskilled and outscored.

And we'll see who's right, starting tomorrow night.
- AllInForFlyers

Just look at the Ottawa Senators last Season. The lost Karrlson and Spezza to injury. They made the playoffs with a roster that has far less talent then the Flyers do no. They made the playoffs. Because they competed and battled and fought for every inch of ice against the opponents.


If this team decides to compete, they will be a good team. If they don't. They won't be. This team may need a few players to become a true contender. But that was true before this Season even started. They don't need to add a single player to turn this around.

And it's going to take some time. Makng a Coaching change doesn't instantly fix it.

Even if we compare to richy, I don't think he ever comes close to that potential.

Richards would be a better comparison though. Size wize etc. Richy had more grit and swagger, and talent for that matter.
- Flyersgod

I think a projection of Schenn to come close to Mike Richards potential is certainly reasonable. Maybe not defensively, but from a production standpoint, I think it's more than possible. He just needs at least a full season to do it.

That's my point; Stefan and (to a lesser extent by draft day) Esposito were projected as stars. They weren't. Schenn was projected as a star. The jury's still out on him.
- jmatchett383

Yeah, to put the comparables thing in perspective, I remember Stefan being compared to Lindros and Esposito getting compared to Lemieux.

I'm pretty content w/ Schenn at the moment -- as long as there's signs of steady improvement, I still feel comfortable with where he'll land when all is said and done.

Thornton was the #1 pick. I don't in any way shape or form Schenn was remotely expected to be the #1 pick. I don't have the draft guy handy to see all of the comparisons but I think that was a stretch. they don't seem to be the same sort of player at all.

Also, wasn't he compared to Richards at the time of the trade? how do you get compared to Thornton then Richards?
- nastyflyergirl

What you do is put 4 years in between there and account for development or lack there of.

Here is something that we can all agree on: listening to "Flyers" fans on wip is (frank)ing hilarious.....

Wow the last buffoon that called in saying he gave away his flyers tickets takes the cake.

So when we have the puck in our dzone we should cover the forecheckers? Man I'd love tp see thatdefense.
- Flyersgod

When did they have the puck on that play? It was a puck up for grabs in the corner. And yes, the dangerous areas of the ice, such as the 5 feet in front of the net, should be covered. It's fundamental defensive zone coverage.

Sit in the top 5 rows of the 200 level and listen to the fans screaming for the Flyers to "HIT SOMEBODY." It's how you win games, by hitting everything that moves and paying no attention to the puck.
- jmatchett383

the Chief will have everybody banging

Happens to the best (and worst) of us.
- jmatchett383

It was the best of times.. it was the blurst of times.... damn monkeys!

Note: obscur Simpsons reference

Just look at the Ottawa Senators last Season. The lost Karrlson and Spezza to injury. They made the playoffs with a roster that has far less talent then the Flyers do no. They made the playoffs. Because they competed and battled and fought for every inch of ice against the opponents.
- MJL

Not sure you want to use Ottawa as an example... a team .940 SV% tends to really cover up a lot of badness.

Wish I felt that. All I see is a giant odorless turd waiting for an unexpecting shoe to step on it.

I'd rather trade him now while he has any value, than hold onto him and get nothing later on.
- Flyersgod

That would be a huge mistake. Schenn has talent and heart and give him some time and stability at one position and he is probably good to go. I would seriously put him on lw with Giroux and Voracek and let him develop there. Give him a dozen games and I am sure he will get his confidence and succeed. Hartnell does not have the skill to be a first line left winger, at his stage in his career he is heading to a third line role.

I think a projection of Schenn to come close to Mike Richards potential is certainly reasonable. Maybe not defensively, but from a production standpoint, I think it's more than possible. He just needs at least a full season to do it.
- mcefalu

I don't think you can compare Schenn to Richards. They are totally different players. Offensively and obviously defensively.

So are we still blaming Bryz?