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- isaiah520

Too unwieldy to do that from the iPhone most times.

So are we still blaming Bryz?
- Buzzo

we will when he wins a cup for Pitts

their systems are screwed though and they are disorganized and mostly skating in mud, so while i agree w/ the type of personnel they need, it's more than that.
- isaiah520

It is more than that.

Grossmann/Meszaros are too slow as a pairing.

The defensemen, as a collective group, are inconsistent in their passing.

The forwards are inconsistent in their passing and receiving. Some of them are deficient in puckhandling.

We have young players in the lineup who are struggling to produce, for all the reasons that we've talked about.

"Skating harder" isn't going to make Nicklas Grossmann faster or a more accurate passer. That doesn't mean Nicklas Grossmann isn't an NHL player -- it just means that a pairing with Andrej Meszaros will get exposed by a team like Montreal, which has quicker forwards.

You can't be inaccurate with passes in that league. You can't turn the puck over when you're carrying it up the ice.

"Skating harder" isn't going to make Wayne Simmonds not turn the puck over at the blue line because he's a poor stickhandler.

So are we still blaming Bryz?
- Buzzo

No. Matt Carle

I don't think you can compare Schenn to Richards. They are totally different players. Offensively and obviously defensively.
- PhillySportsGuy

I can definitely see potential similarities. Again, we don't know exactly what type of player he will turn into once he hits his prime, but if we're talking strictly production, its not unreasonable to say that Schenn is capable of putting up similar numbers to Mike Richards.

It is more than that.

Grossmann/Meszaros are too slow as a pairing.

The defensemen, as a collective group, are inconsistent in their passing.

The forwards are inconsistent in their passing and receiving. Some of them are deficient in puckhandling.

We have young players in the lineup who are struggling to produce, for all the reasons that we've talked about.

"Skating harder" isn't going to make Nicklas Grossmann faster or a more accurate passer. That doesn't mean Nicklas Grossmann isn't an NHL player -- it just means that a pairing with Andrej Meszaros will get exposed by a team like Montreal, which has quicker forwards.

You can't be inaccurate with passes in that league. You can't turn the puck over when you're carrying it up the ice.

"Skating harder" isn't going to make Wayne Simmonds not turn the puck over at the blue line because he's a poor stickhandler.
- AllInForFlyers

PLUS 1!!!!

It was the best of times.. it was the blurst of times.... damn monkeys!

Note: obscur Simpsons reference
- Hextall271

Not obscure at all. Gotta beat those union workers somehow.

Here is something that we can all agree on: listening to "Flyers" fans on wip is (frank)ing hilarious.....

Wow the last buffoon that called in saying he gave away his flyers tickets takes the cake.
- PhillaBully

Drama queen, and probably a liar.

Homer calls Lavy firing a gut feeling, I think that was gas from those beans last night

So are we still blaming Bryz?
- Buzzo

Bryz was a distraction for sure but personally I have not blamed the goalies and was peed right off with the way they handled Bob in the playoffs in his rookie year. Any goalie that can win 28 games in a rookie season has talent and the flyers failed to realize it or develop him further. There style of play left every goalie vulnerable.

I can definitely see potential similarities. Again, we don't know exactly what type of player he will turn into once he hits his prime, but if we're talking strictly production, its not unreasonable to say that Schenn is capable of putting up similar numbers to Mike Richards.
- mcefalu

Do you mean Richards now or Richards the Flyers All star? There is a difference.

If you take the current version of Richards and take away his defensive play then he's really not much more than a 2nd/3rd line center.

It is more than that.

Grossmann/Meszaros are too slow as a pairing.

The defensemen, as a collective group, are inconsistent in their passing.

The forwards are inconsistent in their passing and receiving. Some of them are deficient in puckhandling.

We have young players in the lineup who are struggling to produce, for all the reasons that we've talked about.

"Skating harder" isn't going to make Nicklas Grossmann faster or a more accurate passer. That doesn't mean Nicklas Grossmann isn't an NHL player -- it just means that a pairing with Andrej Meszaros will get exposed by a team like Montreal, which has quicker forwards.

You can't be inaccurate with passes in that league. You can't turn the puck over when you're carrying it up the ice.

"Skating harder" isn't going to make Wayne Simmonds not turn the puck over at the blue line because he's a poor stickhandler.
- AllInForFlyers

...but they have a new coach...

Potential-star -- but somehow that gets translated into sure-fire star.

As if scouting services, team scouts and talking heads could predict any of this with any degree of certainty outside of the obvious "can't miss" guys.
- Tomahawk

That's not what either of us are saying. We're saying that he was rated anywhere from 1-5 and compared to Cheechoo and Thorton coming out of the draft. He then went on to explode in the WJC. At that point his comparisons were Toews and Tavares. His development, for whatever reason, stagnated. Coming out of the WJC he was considered an elite prospect as he'd built upon his draft stock.

He hasn't continued on that path and his stock and comparables have dropped correspondingly. I think we all wonder where he'll end up. I don't think either of us want him shipped out but I can only speak for myself. If he turned into David Backes I'd be thrilled at this point.

It is more than that.

Grossmann/Meszaros are too slow as a pairing.

The defensemen, as a collective group, are inconsistent in their passing.

The forwards are inconsistent in their passing and receiving. Some of them are deficient in puckhandling.

We have young players in the lineup who are struggling to produce, for all the reasons that we've talked about.

"Skating harder" isn't going to make Nicklas Grossmann faster or a more accurate passer. That doesn't mean Nicklas Grossmann isn't an NHL player -- it just means that a pairing with Andrej Meszaros will get exposed by a team like Montreal, which has quicker forwards.

You can't be inaccurate with passes in that league. You can't turn the puck over when you're carrying it up the ice.

"Skating harder" isn't going to make Wayne Simmonds not turn the puck over at the blue line because he's a poor stickhandler.
- AllInForFlyers

Yes, and it was the former coach that used that pairing. It was the former coach's system that forced those players to have to make passes that they couldn't complete. The former coach's system forced Simmonds to pukchandle more than he should have to.

The coach is the one that played the former 8th overall pick between goons and grinders almost exclusively for two years.

The Flyers need to get to work, and do it with a lot more discipline than they showed under the former coach.

It is more than that.

Grossmann/Meszaros are too slow as a pairing.

The defensemen, as a collective group, are inconsistent in their passing.

The forwards are inconsistent in their passing and receiving. Some of them are deficient in puckhandling.

We have young players in the lineup who are struggling to produce, for all the reasons that we've talked about.

"Skating harder" isn't going to make Nicklas Grossmann faster or a more accurate passer. That doesn't mean Nicklas Grossmann isn't an NHL player -- it just means that a pairing with Andrej Meszaros will get exposed by a team like Montreal, which has quicker forwards.

You can't be inaccurate with passes in that league. You can't turn the puck over when you're carrying it up the ice.

"Skating harder" isn't going to make Wayne Simmonds not turn the puck over at the blue line because he's a poor stickhandler.
- AllInForFlyers

Valid, but skating harder, I'm willing to bet, will help with the Flyers wimpy forecheck. Their forecheck has been horrendous and there are teams with far less talented players who can execute an effective forecheck simply by working harder.

I agree with the poor passing and turnovers. Far too excessive. It's early, but that type of thing needs to get figured out in the pre-season.

And I wouldn't mind seeing Gus with Grossmann

When did they have the puck on that play? It was a puck up for grabs in the corner. And yes, the dangerous areas of the ice, such as the 5 feet in front of the net, should be covered. It's fundamental defensive zone coverage.
- MJL

3 guys were in position, within 5-feet of the net.

Streit had a step coming down the circles on Kulemin, but Kulemin was able to catch up to him and it somehow became an even heat... Streit still had inside position, though, as the play went into the boards, but Kulemin completely negated Streit with one hard push. The puck then went to the Leaf on the other side of the net, who quickly hit Bolland who was sneaking in as the late man off the rush.

The play happened too fast -- unless you want Simmonds and/or Read to completely ignore where the puck is and put their backs to the play, I'm not sure how you can poop on them for not picking up Bolland on a bang bang play off a real stinker play all around by Streit.

Do you mean Richards now or Richards the Flyers All star? There is a difference.

If you take the current version of Richards and take away his defensive play then he's really not much more than a 2nd/3rd line center.
- PhillySportsGuy

Richards as a flyer was a cannonball who ran around like a madman and gave no quarter. He didn't care about the toll on his body and was consistently the hardest worker on the team.

Richards as a King is an NHL player.

Is there anyone else who would like to see Mez sit and Gus play?

I can definitely see potential similarities. Again, we don't know exactly what type of player he will turn into once he hits his prime, but if we're talking strictly production, its not unreasonable to say that Schenn is capable of putting up similar numbers to Mike Richards.
- mcefalu

Mike Richards and Brayden Schenn can not be compared, they both have different mothers and fathers, lol

It is time to quit comparing the two and let Schenn become his own player and our player. Give the kid a break and let him develop into a Schenn type of player.

It is more than that.

Grossmann/Meszaros are too slow as a pairing.

The defensemen, as a collective group, are inconsistent in their passing.

The forwards are inconsistent in their passing and receiving. Some of them are deficient in puckhandling.

We have young players in the lineup who are struggling to produce, for all the reasons that we've talked about.

"Skating harder" isn't going to make Nicklas Grossmann faster or a more accurate passer. That doesn't mean Nicklas Grossmann isn't an NHL player -- it just means that a pairing with Andrej Meszaros will get exposed by a team like Montreal, which has quicker forwards.

You can't be inaccurate with passes in that league. You can't turn the puck over when you're carrying it up the ice.

"Skating harder" isn't going to make Wayne Simmonds not turn the puck over at the blue line because he's a poor stickhandler.
- AllInForFlyers

man i hate this d corp...more the mix than the individual plyrs.

simmonds is the strange mix of a 3rd line talent in every other respect except he can score...battles along the wall, busts his ass, taps in the garbage and gets deflections & rebounds, but he's lousy defensively, can't handle and has a below avg hockey IQ

Richards as a flyer was a cannonball who ran around like a madman and gave no quarter. He didn't care about the toll on his body and was consistently the hardest worker on the team.

Richards as a King is an NHL player.
- jmatchett383

I know. That's why I need clarification.

Mike Richards and Brayden Schenn can not be compared, they both have different mothers and fathers, lol

It is time to quit comparing the two and let Schenn become his own player and our player. Give the kid a break and let him develop into a Schenn type of player.
- flyerdude17

Fine. Then let's compare Luke and Brayden!

wow I have gotten no work done today
- nastyflyergirl

man, tell me about it

That's not what either of us are saying. We're saying that he was rated anywhere from 1-5 and compared to Cheechoo and Thorton coming out of the draft. He then went on to explode in the WJC. At that point his comparisons were Toews and Tavares. His development, for whatever reason, stagnated. Coming out of the WJC he was considered an elite prospect as he'd built upon his draft stock.

He hasn't continued on that path and his stock and comparables have dropped correspondingly. I think we all wonder where he'll end up. I don't think either of us want him shipped out but I can only speak for myself. If he turned into David Backes I'd be thrilled at this point.
- mayorofangrytown

Yes, that is what I'm saying. He had expectations on him that were overblown. He's only played a handful of games so far and, to this point, has not met those expectations. It's likely that he never will, but if he does become a player like Backes then that's absolutely fine.

Do you mean Richards now or Richards the Flyers All star? There is a difference.

If you take the current version of Richards and take away his defensive play then he's really not much more than a 2nd/3rd line center.
- PhillySportsGuy

Somewhere in between, I suppose. Richards never put up insane numbers and I suppose he didnt have to because that's not what the team needed from him. My point is that Schenn is reasonably capable of being able to at some point produce between 60-80 points if he gets the ice time to do it. I don't see why he couldn't eventually be a 2nd line center one day. Kid is still young and has yet to play a full season