Their Stanley cup performance in game one earned them a loss and we are praising it as their best game. I think Toronto was tired early and that was most of the reason we looked good early. Then their true identity came out.
- funmaster18

Toronto's MO is that they suck, get badly out-shot, but somehow still manage to win.

The Flyers MO is that they just suck, get badly out-shot, and lose.

Who cares if he's played well? I swear sometimes you guys will defend something to a fault... The signing did nothing for the present or the future, he's a player they don't need and another contract they'll be looking to shed in two years while it eats up needed cap space to acquire a player they may actually need ... He's over the hill and and overpaid ... An all too familiar cliche with this team...
- JoeRussomanno

Are we talking about Vinny? Cuz he's been the best Flyer throughout the first three games. Doesn't that count for something? His cap hit is reasonable, although the contract is a bit long. Still like the signing.

We're only 3 games in. You can't say I told ya so until it's clear this team won't make the playoffs.
- PhillySportsGuy

They're not getting far with this roster as is... The defense is too slow and immobile and the forwards like playing a notch or two below this great ability I keep hearing about... Stop bringing in dinosaurs and let the you get players grow... Save your cap space for when the too good to pass ups come along...

Are we talking about Vinny? Cuz he's been the best Flyer throughout the first three games. Doesn't that count for something? His cap hit is reasonable, although the contract is a bit long. Still like the signing.
- mcefalu

We were saying the se things about bryzgalov In mid January

Its not even about that. Its finally, for once, time to realise they aren't a cup contender.

Its like Calgary or Toronto hanging on in mediocrity.

The majority of this D core wont be here when this team is ready to establish itself as a top team. With the coaching change its a transition into being more defensively aware.

Perfect chance to see what you have in these, apparently "promising" young d-men in the AHL. Unfortunately nobody will touch Streit with that contract but I'd have no issues with 2-3 of the current D being dealt.

Will they maybe lose a few more games but benefit in the long run? (gasp)
- flyer_nutter

IMO that is a TDL decision. If your not making the playoffs ask Timonen & Hartnell where they would be willing to waive to go. Ask Coburn for the 10 teams he wont go to. Trade Meszaros for a puck. Trade Talbot, Emery, and anything else of value that isn't under 26. Except Vinny and Read. Then bring up Laughton, Cousins, Akeson, Straka, Alt, Konan & Lauridsen. Assess what you have and what you can build on, and address the rest in FA.

They're not getting far with this roster as is... The defense is too slow and immobile and the forwards like playing a notch or two below this great ability I keep hearing about... Stop bringing in dinosaurs and let the you get players grow... Save your cap space for when the too good to pass ups come along...
- JoeRussomanno

I'm with you. I never liked the signings, but I didn't think they would look this bad. I thought they'd be competitive and at the very least make the playoffs

We were saying the se things about bryzgalov In mid January
- JoeRussomanno

Well, I wasn't. But I get where you're coming from. I just don't think it makes a lot of sense to harp on the one bright spot for this team so far

Are we talking about Vinny? Cuz he's been the best Flyer throughout the first three games. Doesn't that count for something? His cap hit is reasonable, although the contract is a bit long. Still like the signing.
- mcefalu

Yeah, best Flyer for the first three games is pretty impressive -- definitely worth every penny and the future headache.

I just cant wait for Ghost, Morin, and Hagg to come in... So close, yet so far away

I'm with you. I never liked the signings, but I didn't think they would look this bad. I thought they'd be competitive and at the very least make the playoffs
- PhillySportsGuy

I wont count them out just yet. Last time they made a coaching change they went to the finals...

This. I just dont get it. They looked like they could be SC finalists if they played like that. Then 2 stinkers later.... I think the fact that they looked as good as they did for 2 periods showed some people that these players can play when they try... Now to get get them to try. 1 cost a guy his job. 2 send someone you just resigned to Calgary Hell.

Gustefsson and Read for Glencross, Guedreau, and 2nd.
- youarewrong

The Flyers did not look very good against Toronto. Let's break that game down...

1. A home season opener in front of your fans who suffered through an underachieving season.

2. A favorable matchup against a team coming off a tough road win the night before. 2 pts. are in their bag to start off the season on a difficult back to back.

3. The Flyers came out with jump which was good. Lots of zone time and shots. But very little QUALITY scoring chances. Bernier made a lot of easy saves. Toronto had more quality scoring chances.

4. Lots of PP time for the Flyers, again very good. Matt Read has looked real good and he drew at least two penalties.

5. The team wilted in the 3rd period against a team coming off a Back to Back. Which is very difficult for their 2nd game of the season. They were prob feeling like crap that whole game.


Bottom line is a bad game for the Flyers.

IMO that is a TDL decision. If your not making the playoffs ask Timonen & Hartnell where they would be willing to waive to go. Ask Coburn for the 10 teams he wont go to. Trade Meszaros for a puck. Trade Talbot, Emery, and anything else of value that isn't under 26. Except Vinny and Read. Then bring up Laughton, Cousins, Akeson, Straka, Alt, Konan & Lauridsen. Assess what you have and what you can build on, and address the rest in FA.
- youarewrong

Wow -- that's...that's a full, straight-up, teardown. That's...wow.

I need to wrap my head around that one for a bit.

I wont count them out just yet. Last time they made a coaching change they went to the finals...
- youarewrong

We should make them every year!

The Flyers did not look very good against Toronto. Let's break that game down...

1. A home season opener in front of your fans who suffered through an underachieving season.

2. A favorable matchup against a team coming off a tough road win the night before. 2 pts. are in their bag to start off the season on a difficult back to back.

3. The Flyers came out with jump which was good. Lots of zone time and shots. But very little QUALITY scoring chances. Bernier made a lot of easy saves. Toronto had more quality scoring chances.

4. Lots of PP time for the Flyers, again very good. Matt Read has looked real good and he drew at least two penalties.

5. The team wilted in the 3rd period against a team coming off a Back to Back. Which is very difficult for their 2nd game of the season. They were prob feeling like crap that whole game.


Bottom line is a bad game for the Flyers.
- Just5

They had quite a few chances right in the slot that they shot wide and I think that's more about players getting back into a rhythm. Also, even if they played the night before, I think you might be underestimating Toronto. I think they're going to be very good this year. I thought there were a lot of positives for the first game of the season, especially when you compare it to the poor preseason results.

Yeah, so clever that Michael Raffl's guaranteed to make the team and his sources are better than Darren Dreger's.
- AllInForFlyers

My favorite is that obviously Shelley is an NHL caliber player because he is dressed in an NHL lineup.

Wow -- that's...that's a full, straight-up, teardown. That's...wow.

I need to wrap my head around that one for a bit.
- AllInForFlyers

I think that's an overreaction.. that would be an absolute fire sale and we'd probably be looking at an Edmonton or Pittsburgh type 7 years out of playoffs rebuild. Maybe it works (see Pitt) maybe it doesn't (see Edm).

Wow -- that's...that's a full, straight-up, teardown. That's...wow.

I need to wrap my head around that one for a bit.
- AllInForFlyers

Funny thing is I kind of agree with him.

I would look to move almost everybody over the age of 26-27 and then wait patiently for the kids, pick up value players via UFA/waivers/trade, while trying to piece together an identity organically.

This perennial also-ran (or never-ran) thing isn't working.

I think that's an overreaction.. that would be an absolute fire sale and we'd probably be looking at an Edmonton or Pittsburgh type 7 years out of playoffs rebuild. Maybe it works (see Pitt) maybe it doesn't (see Edm).
- Hextall271

Fail for McDavid in 2015....Next crosby...

I think that's an overreaction.. that would be an absolute fire sale and we'd probably be looking at an Edmonton or Pittsburgh type 7 years out of playoffs rebuild. Maybe it works (see Pitt) maybe it doesn't (see Edm).
- Hextall271

Not a complete firesale.

However I make changes to that D now. Bring up some of the AHL youth.

In terms of forward ranks, evaluate around the deadline.

I think that's an overreaction.. that would be an absolute fire sale and we'd probably be looking at an Edmonton or Pittsburgh type 7 years out of playoffs rebuild. Maybe it works (see Pitt) maybe it doesn't (see Edm).
- Hextall271

They already have some of the forwards in place. It wouldn't be as bad, but they wouldn't be gettng multiple 1st overall picks.

Not a complete firesale.

However I make changes to that D now. Bring up some of the AHL youth.

In terms of forward ranks, evaluate around the deadline.
- flyer_nutter

I agree. I think its time to cut the cord when it comes to the defense.

Wow -- that's...that's a full, straight-up, teardown. That's...wow.

I need to wrap my head around that one for a bit.
- AllInForFlyers

That is only if they look this bad by TDL time. Which I completely doubt will happen.

Gee, MJL! I see what you did there!

Did Peter Laviolette ask for a goal-scoring winger? No? Where's he at right now?
- AllInForFlyers

what new coach comes in and openly clamors for a scoring winger?

Not a complete firesale.

However I make changes to that D now. Bring up some of the AHL youth.

In terms of forward ranks, evaluate around the deadline.
- flyer_nutter

I'm still...wow. So you keep Schenn/Couturier, no matter what, then?

I agree. I think its time to cut the cord when it comes to the defense.
- justahockeyguy2

Which however we all know wont happen.

People talk about accountability. I think it may be a bit better now, but how long would Lava have lasted if he started benching the stars.

Old men Ed wants to simply make the playoffs at all cost.