I think you drastically overlook and underestimate how much offensive talent this team has. And aren't aware of how much offensive talent the Flyers have on the forward line compared to the rest of the League.
- MJL

Well, then. I stand corrected. Silly me, telling the world that losing three forwards outright and seeing regressions by two more, with the only offsets being the addition of one forward and progression of one more...isn't a problem, when the team isn't scoring.

I'm the crazy one, again. Silly me.

this is the same as when they fired Hitch & hired Stevens

same message
- puckhead17

It's usually the same when every Coach is fired.

this is the same as when they fired Hitch & hired Stevens

same message
- puckhead17

I think at that point, Clarke also resigned as GM. That was a REAL house cleaning, but I believe the current team has more talent.

Well, then. I stand corrected. Silly me, telling the world that losing three forwards outright and seeing regressions by two more, with the only offsets being the addition of one forward and progression of one more...isn't a problem, when the team isn't scoring.

I'm the crazy one, again. Silly me.
- AllInForFlyers

I agree.

How many Forwards do you think the Flyers have, that are capable of scoring 20 goals or more?

this is the same as when they fired Hitch & hired Stevens

same message
- puckhead17

It's generally the same message whenever a team fires a coach who's team isn't playing with much fire, and is getting badly outplayed.

My gut tells me Berube will be surprisingly effective as head coach.
- eayost

hope your gut is not like Homer's

Not sure if he is the right/wrong choice but lets see how it plays out.
- stveshdy

tochet was singing chief's praises on XM.

I agree.

How many Forwards do you think the Flyers have, that are capable of scoring 20 goals or more?
- MJL

I'm not playing this game with you, MJL. I'm going to point two things that make my point perfectly obvious:

2012-2013: 25th in the league in even-strength goal-scoring ratio
Three games into the 2013-2014 season: Three goals in three games

Let me know when your "capability theory" equals those facts.

I agree.

How many Forwards do you think the Flyers have, that are capable of scoring 20 goals or more?
- MJL

I say seven. Couturier can't playing on the third line, getting all the toughest defensive assignments and no PP time.

But Giroux, Hartnell, Voracek, Read, Simmonds, Lecavalier and Schenn all should be able to.

It's generally the same message whenever a team fires a coach who's team isn't playing with much fire, and is getting badly outplayed.
- Jsaquella

Time to pick the play up. Flyers have to play better. The style of play will be different but there's no reason this team can't be good.

tochet was singing chief's praises on XM.
- isaiah520

Will see. This team needs to find itself.

I'm not playing this game with you, MJL. I'm going to point two things that make my point perfectly obvious:

2012-2013: 25th in the league in even-strength goal-scoring ratio
Three games into the 2013-2014 season: Three goals in three games

Let me know when your "capability theory" equals those facts.
- AllInForFlyers

That doesn't make your point perfectly obvious. Nobody myself included has disputed that the Flyers have had trouble scoring ES goals last year, and so far this Season. Anybody can read a stat. That's not the debate. The debate is on why. You think they lack offensive talent. I think you're wrong. And the new Coach seems to agree with me on why they aren't scoring.

And what I offer isn't a theory. I can easily show that the Flyers have one of the deeper offensive corps of Forwards in the League.

Panaccio reports that Berube gets a two year deal

My gut tells me Berube will be surprisingly effective as head coach.
- eayost

Homer's gut told him that too

Panaccio reports that Berube gets a two year deal
- Jsaquella

Did it come with Dr Pepper?

tochet was singing chief's praises on XM.
- isaiah520

I heard that. Tocchet is employed by Comcast, and while he's no shrinking violet, he's probably friends with Berube as they were teammates so I expected him to say good things about Berube.

Can Berube coach at the NHL level? Since he has no track record, no one knows the answer to that question. We are going to find out. I prefer Berube over Murray though if those were the choices.

I say seven. Couturier can't playing on the third line, getting all the toughest defensive assignments and no PP time.

But Giroux, Hartnell, Voracek, Read, Simmonds, Lecavalier and Schenn all should be able to.
- Feanor

I certainly agree with the first 6, and I do think Schenn is capable of it, but he hasn't done it yet, so we'll see.

It's tough to use last year, because it was a shortened 48 game Season. But how many NHL teams in the 11/12 NHL Season had 6 or more forwards score 20 or more goals?

That doesn't make your point perfectly obvious. Nobody myself included has disputed that the Flyers have had trouble scoring ES goals last year, and so far this Season. Anybody can read a stat. That's not the debate. The debate is on why. You think they lack offensive talent. I think you're wrong. And the new Coach seems to agree with me on why they aren't scoring.

And what I offer isn't a theory. I can easily show that the Flyers have one of the deeper offensive corps of Forwards in the League.
- MJL

What you offer isn't a theory? What you offer isn't a theory?

How many times has Brayden Schenn scored 20 goals? How many times has Sean Couturier?

So. "Theory."

I heard that. Tocchet is employed by Comcast, and while he's no shrinking violet, he's probably friends with Berube as they were teammates so I expected him to say good things about Berube.

Can Berube coach at the NHL level? Since he has no track record, no one knows the answer to that question. We are going to find out. I prefer Berube over Murray though if those were the choices.
- PLindbergh31

yup

Panaccio reports that Berube gets a two year deal
- Jsaquella

next up Snider gives him the vote of confidence.

When you disagree another poster, avoiding reverting to childish ad hominem attacks is usually appreciated by the other posters (and the moderators). Agree or disagree as strongly as you like. But keep the personality-based whining to yourselves, please.

What you offer isn't a theory? What you offer isn't a theory?

How many times has Brayden Schenn scored 20 goals? How many times has Sean Couturier?

So. "Theory."
- AllInForFlyers

I haven't stated that Schenn or Couturier will score 20 goals this Season.

I'm not playing this game with you, MJL. I'm going to point two things that make my point perfectly obvious:

2012-2013: 25th in the league in even-strength goal-scoring ratio
Three games into the 2013-2014 season: Three goals in three games

Let me know when your "capability theory" equals those facts.
- AllInForFlyers

A coach once told me potential means you aren't good yet. Words to live by.

I heard that. Tocchet is employed by Comcast, and while he's no shrinking violet, he's probably friends with Berube as they were teammates so I expected him to say good things about Berube.

Can Berube coach at the NHL level? Since he has no track record, no one knows the answer to that question. We are going to find out. I prefer Berube over Murray though if those were the choices.
- PLindbergh31

I'm surprised they didn't make this change at seasons end. They waited three games this year to make a move. That's kind of strange. I guess they were expecting different results.

next up Snider gives him the vote of confidence.
- LJF

he already did that after he took his medication