Adding more talent never hurts. But that is not what the issue is with this team. They simply don't play the right way, and they've gotten outworked. That's a deadly combination.
- MJL

Not going to win many games playing like that, no question about it.

I certainly agree with the first 6, and I do think Schenn is capable of it, but he hasn't done it yet, so we'll see.

It's tough to use last year, because it was a shortened 48 game Season. But how many NHL teams in the 11/12 NHL Season had 6 or more forwards score 20 or more goals?
- MJL

One. Boston.

I agree.

How many Forwards do you think the Flyers have, that are capable of scoring 20 goals or more?
- MJL

G-Schenn-Voracek, Hartnell, Simmons, Read, Lecav, Couts

8

I think that's a very unlikely scenario. I personally don't believe that Holmgren is in any danger. But yea, if Hextall takes over, it'll be his decision going forward.
- MJL

I disagree that Holmgren's job is safe. What makes you think that? Because Snider said so. They said the same thing after last season was over that Laviolette's job wasn't in jeopardy and he got fired after 3 games.

One. Boston.
- fecondo

Exactly. And we can do the same and look at points. Bottom line is that the Flyers have plenty of offensive talent among the Forwards. And that's not why there is a lack of scoring at ES.

G-Schenn-Voracek, Hartnell, Simmons, Read, Lecav, Couts

8
- jstross

I'd disagree with schenn and couts, for now. I can see schenn having 15-18 and couts adding in around 12. Just my opinion

I disagree that Holmgren's job is safe. What makes you think that? Because Snider said so. They said the same thing after last season was over that Laviolette's job wasn't in jeopardy and he got fired after 3 games.
- PLindbergh31

I think Holmgren will leave when he's ready to. Whether that's viewed as a good or bad thing is another issue

I'd disagree with schenn and couts, for now. I can see schenn having 15-18 and couts adding in around 12. Just my opinion
- fecondo

Schenn is definately capable of scoring 20 just not sure he will. Couts is harder to justify as a possible 20 goal scorer in his current role.

the team had to know that Lava's job was on the line and they sure didn't play like they wanted to fight for him. If the team thought he was a good coach they would have at least made an effort to win, which they didn't.

I think Holmgren will leave when he's ready to. Whether that's viewed as a good or bad thing is another issue
- eayost

Huh? Leave when he's ready to? Who gets to do that? This is a results based business. If the Flyers miss the playoffs this year, Holmgren should be gone.

Did Homer say that Berube was the best head coach not coaching in the NHL?
- Dkos

Where do they find these gems?! We should all feel so lucky! To have B Schenn the world's best player not playing in the NHL just 2 years ago!

Huh? Leave when he's ready to? Who gets to do that? This is a results based business. If the Flyers miss the playoffs this year, Holmgren should be gone.
- PLindbergh31

this

I disagree that Holmgren's job is safe. What makes you think that? Because Snider said so. They said the same thing after last season was over that Laviolette's job wasn't in jeopardy and he got fired after 3 games.
- PLindbergh31

It's just a gut feeling I have. I'm not going to sit here and tell you you're wrong, and I'm right about that. Because I truly don't know. I look at what this team's issues are, and the biggest issue in my mind has been the Coaching. I'm never happy with a group of players that tune out a Coach. I wish that phenomenon could be explained. How that happens. The only thing I can think of is, the lack of success playing the way the Coach wants, gives the players doubts. And it's hard to do something you don't believe in well. Because you're not fully committed. I look at the roster, and I see a good team of good players. Still a few question marks, and a need such as a top defenseman. But overall, a roster that should be a playoff team. And those needs are still there even is this team was 3-0 and playing well. Holmgren has put a good team on the ice, and made solid moves every Season. Not mistake free, but overall solid moves. That's why I don't think his job is in jeopardy. But I could certainly be wrong about that.

the team had to know that Lava's job was on the line and they sure didn't play like they wanted to fight for him. If the team thought he was a good coach they would have at least made an effort to win, which they didn't.
- LJF

Agreed. They played like they wanted him fired.

Schenn is definately capable of scoring 20 just not sure he will. Couts is harder to justify as a possible 20 goal scorer in his current role.
- jstross

I agree schenn is capable, but I'm trying to lower the expectations in my mind. If he can score 15-18 goals at 22 and trend upwards in his development, thats a successful season in my eyes. And couts wasn't a 20 goal scorer under lavys system, maybe berube will put him in a better offensive position.

Agreed. They played like they wanted him fired.
- MJL

and Homer has to know this also, so it was time to make the move. Who cares if it was one game or 20 games into the season. Still think end of last season would have been better.

Huh? Leave when he's ready to? Who gets to do that? This is a results based business. If the Flyers miss the playoffs this year, Holmgren should be gone.
- PLindbergh31

I just don't think Snider will fire him, especially if Snider himself was involved in some of the more controversial personnel decisions

Exactly. And we can do the same and look at points. Bottom line is that the Flyers have plenty of offensive talent among the Forwards. And that's not why there is a lack of scoring at ES.
- MJL

They do have talent, bit I feel they're missing a legit sniper. Plus with hartnell and vinnys offensive output trending downward, I'm a bit worried.

It's just a gut feeling I have. I'm not going to sit here and tell you you're wrong, and I'm right about that. Because I truly don't know. I look at what this team's issues are, and the biggest issue in my mind has been the Coaching. I'm never happy with a group of players that tune out a Coach. I wish that phenomenon could be explained. How that happens. The only thing I can think of is, the lack of success playing the way the Coach wants, gives the players doubts. And it's hard to do something you don't believe in well. Because you're not fully committed. I look at the roster, and I see a good team of good players. Still a few question marks, and a need such as a top defenseman. But overall, a roster that should be a playoff team. And those needs are still there even is this team was 3-0 and playing well. Holmgren has put a good team on the ice, and made solid moves every Season. Not mistake free, but overall solid moves. That's why I don't think his job is in jeopardy. But I could certainly be wrong about that.
- MJL

Fair points. Well they have a fresh voice now. The issue with that is there isn't a track record for Berube at the NHL level. So, if the team sputters the rest of the season is it not on the GM then for not putting together the right mix of players?

I just don't think Snider will fire him, especially if Snider himself was involved in some of the more controversial personnel decisions
- eayost

but he is what a 80 year old owner that wants at least one more cup before his time is up. His can't wait, if this season ends badly Homer is out.

I just don't think Snider will fire him, especially if Snider himself was involved in some of the more controversial personnel decisions
- eayost

I think Snider was heavily involved in the Bryzgalov decision. So Holmgren gets a mulligan there. Other than that I think Holmgren has had the green light to do what he has wanted. Not to mention an ownership that allows him to spend to the cap every year.

Guys,

Wow, gotta be hard following this team. Always interesting, tough on the health I'm sure.

Guys,

Wow, gotta be hard following this team. Always interesting, tough on the health I'm sure.
- walshy66

Im 22 and have noticed (even if its very slight), some minor signs of future hair loss

Im 22 and have noticed (even if its very slight), some minor signs of future hair loss
- flyer_nutter

I feel ya. I'm 26 and balding already from stress

They do have talent, bit I feel they're missing a legit sniper. Plus with hartnell and vinnys offensive output trending downward, I'm a bit worried.
- fecondo

That's true. This team does not have a player that would be considered a true sniper. TB has the best sniper in the League in Stamkos and they missed the playoffs. Washington with Ovechkin hasn't done a lot in the playoffs. I think the bottom line is that if they improve their team game, and play better defensively. Along with raising their compete level. They have plenty of offense.

Did Chicago have a true Sniper? Or how about Boston when they won the Cup?