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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 7 @ 10:16 AM ET
Josh Rimer ‏@JoshRimerHockey 54s

The next move I expect from the Flyers is to move Chris Pronger to assistant coach. Flyers played better when Chris was around the team.

This tweet gets my wholehearted endorsement

- Jsaquella


I don't know if he's capable of doing that.

http://www.csnphilly.com/...-prongers-life-two-worlds

In short, Pronger doesn’t like the potential conflict of interest.

“I’m not saying I can’t [do this],” Pronger said. “There’s a lot of things I would rather not know. I don’t think I need to be part of a lot of things that go in management’s office.

“Still being part of the PA and still being a player on the team and all the rest of that stuff. Scouting is something anybody can do. Putting in reports on teams and systems is something I don’t see a problem with [doing].”
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:16 AM ET
I'm giving beriberi a chance I mean the guy deserves it but just seems like a total (frank)ing wash rinse repeat deal...
- JoeRussomanno



Yeah, who knows.

I suspect that the dysfunction of this team is on a basic roster level... the team just isn't put together very well. Too many post-apex players, plus a lot of hoping/dreaming the kids get better, plus guys that maybe just aren't that good. If Berube can inspire them to play above their heads, like MacLean did with Ottawa last season, this team could have a chance. But they're not making it to the PO's on skill/talent alone, that much is obvious.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:16 AM ET
Lappy an assistant per Dreger
- nastyflyergirl


LOVE this
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
Lappy an assistant per Dreger
- nastyflyergirl


The goon squad coaching staff!


johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
Buccigross just tweeted something about the coach and GM being in hot water
- jak521


The GM has to be on the hot seat.

You don't just set $50 some million dollars on fire (i.e.--give it away to Ilya Bryzgalov) and NOT be on the hot seat.

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
Buccigross just tweeted something about the coach and GM being in hot water
- jak521


GM should be in hot water, too.

But the bottom line is, eve if they fire Holmgren, hextall or whomever they hire will still be taking orders from Snider.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
They don't have to designate him as assistant coach. They can just let him stand behind the bench.

I don't think this is a reasonable suggestion as Pronger is still suffering from PCS

- PhillySportsGuy

That's a good point...If he has PCS (and this is why he is on LTIR) how can he travel with the team etc? Can't see it although I think he'd be a great asst coach.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
Buccigross just tweeted something about the coach and GM being in hot water
- jak521


I don't think he has sources on the Flyers. He's just stating opinion
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Oct 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
First positive!

Berube will surely scratch Rosehill!

- PLindbergh31



Because that has been the problem with this team in 3 games.. Jay Rosehill..

It's not the fact that Newbury has the same points total, in 1 game played, as Giroux, Hartnell, Voracek, Read, Simmonds, Couturier (what is his value again).

Nope..none of that is the problem..They dressed Jay Rosehill that's the or even a problem.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Oct 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
Well good. Now these mindless turnovers will be negated and we should be good to go 79-3 this year. All we needed was a coaching change and we'll have none of the boneheaded plays in the defensive zone that have plagued us since 2005.
- jmatchett383


Yeah true.. clearly wasn't Lavas fault at all. Youd have yo be crazy to think the coach actually tells players what to do.

PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Oct 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
No free lunch apparently for Prongs... I'm surprised they didn't have him driving the team bus to earn his salary.
- Tomahawk


I dont think he is being forced into anything. I think he truly wants to be around for the team and the org.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
I was wondering who would be declared assistant coach. Here's a question though.. How can we hire Pronger as an assistant if he is still on our roster as a player on LTIR?
- Hextall271


I'm not sure they can do that
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
Paddock and Lappy as assistants. McCarthy let go to....per Dreger
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
Do we seriously have to discuss all the elements of winning Hockey? Are you saying that hits and blocking shots are bad things, and is a part of why they're losing? When Nik Gorssmann blocked 3 shots on the same PK shift, that wasn't a good thing?
- MJL



Big hits and blocked shots numbers are indicators that your team doesn't have the puck very often.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
So 50 shot shutout then?
- BulliesPhan87


probably. i'm actually considering getting a ticket for tomorrow night's game. just to watch timmy put on a show. not to mention watching the flyers run around like chicken's without heads.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
GM should be in hot water, too.

But the bottom line is, eve if they fire Holmgren, hextall or whomever they hire will still be taking orders from Snider.

- Jsaquella


Any possibility that this announcement is for both GM and coach to be axed and Hextall take over?
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
Yeah, who knows.

I suspect that the dysfunction of this team is on a basic roster level... the team just isn't put together very well. Too many post-apex players, plus a lot of hoping/dreaming the kids get better, plus guys that maybe just aren't that good. If Berube can inspire them to play above their heads, like MacLean did with Ottawa last season, this team could have a chance. But they're not making it to the PO's on skill/talent alone, that much is obvious.

- Tomahawk


Tough to win games when you're only shooting 2.4% at even strength. Berube should greatly benefit from regression.
flyers2001
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 01.29.2008

Oct 7 @ 10:18 AM ET
Do we seriously have to discuss all the elements of winning Hockey? Are you saying that hits and blocking shots are bad things, and is a part of why they're losing? When Nik Gorssmann blocked 3 shots on the same PK shift, that wasn't a good thing?
- MJL


It sounded like a troll comment. He wanted a reaction as to a previous debate he may have had with someone.

Of course Block shots and hits are not a bad thing. They are just 1 of many aspects to playing winning hockey.

One can argue, I thought "Scoring Goals were a good thing." Only if your stopping them as well.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Oct 7 @ 10:18 AM ET
Berube with Lappy and possible Pronger as assistants.

Man, I would want to see any player take a shift off with that threesome leading them.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Oct 7 @ 10:18 AM ET
Blog updated with my take on the Laviolette firing.

hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:18 AM ET
Lappy an assistant per Dreger
- nastyflyergirl


now this i like.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:18 AM ET
Blog updated with my take on the Laviolette firing.
- bmeltzer


no rest for the weary.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Oct 7 @ 10:18 AM ET
let me put your mind at ease. FS says the players love the chief and will go through a wall for him.
- hammarby31


Lame. I think we need a coach who the players will hate.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 7 @ 10:18 AM ET
Yeah, who knows.

I suspect that the dysfunction of this team is on a basic roster level... the team just isn't put together very well. Too many post-apex players, plus a lot of hoping/dreaming the kids get better, plus guys that maybe just aren't that good. If Berube can inspire them to play above their heads, like MacLean did with Ottawa last season, this team could have a chance. But they're not making it to the PO's on skill/talent alone, that much is obvious.

- Tomahawk



No team makes it to the playoffs on talent and skill alone. This team has a strong roster of individual talent. They need to become a team that refuses to be outworked. Only then will the reap the benefits of that talent.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 7 @ 10:19 AM ET
Looks like Lappy and Paddock will be the assisstants, McCarthy apparently tossed overboard as well, and no mention of Joe Mullen
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