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Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Oct 9 @ 12:43 PM ET
yea i dumped hartnell already in fantasy hockey i dunno what his deal is now
- 2Real

After Game 3, I was calling him Not Smartnell. And I love the guy...
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 9 @ 12:45 PM ET
Danny Trejo (from Machete Kills) was at the game as part of his Philly-circuit film promotion. He gave a pretty funny interview decked out in a Flyers' jersey. Towards the end, he had a fantastic quote. "It doesn't matter what you like doing as long as you like having fun like you all are here watching the...um... (looks at the scoreboard) ...the Flyers. You'll have fun at my movie."

Actually, the best part was his female co-star, but I loved that he just totally forgot the name he probably learned 3 minutes ago.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 9 @ 12:45 PM ET
We all got a good laugh from Berube's reaction to Sielski's question about punishing Rosehill, but Sielski has a good point. Berube stated that one of the things he's going to change on this team is accountability. So, where's the accountability for Rosehill? Check out Sielski's Inqy column
- Dkos[url] http://www.philly.com/phi...onish_behavior_slide.html



that article pissed me off. We have NO idea what Berube intends to do or already did to address this. I'm sure Berube is keeping it in house. No reason to publically rip Rosehill.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 9 @ 12:47 PM ET

- Tomahawk



You can't possibly be serious? He scored over 700 goals, and it wasn't by avoiding contact and staying in soft areas. One of the most famous goals he scored was at the front of the net. That's just making stuff up!
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 9 @ 12:47 PM ET
After Game 3, I was calling him Not Smartnell. And I love the guy...
- Flyskippy

in other news i picked up Hertle
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 9 @ 12:47 PM ET
Since we are debating luck...

I dont think teams literally create luck, but by working hard and being in the right place at the right time, tend to take plays that would be seemingly harmless and turn them into more fortunate situations. They figuratively create their own luck. Physically, by working hard and being in the right spots they generate a chance to capitalize on those fortunate situations.

- jak521



Expertly said!
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 9 @ 12:49 PM ET
Rosehill committed the penalty in the third period of the game, and didn't play the rest of the night,

How exactly did Sielski expect Berube to punish Rosehill last night? Bag skate him after the (frank)ing game?

- Jsaquella



Dude that article pissed me off enough to make me send him an email ripping it
leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Oct 9 @ 12:51 PM ET
Woaaaa. Wow.

Rinaldo is the perfect 4th line player right now. He doesn't need to grow into anything else. His 10 mins of ice time is the max he should ever get

- Just5


Rinaldo has been playing some responsible hockey (carryover from late last year). I wouldn't mind rewarding his hustle and experimenting with Rinaldo at higher lines. He has the speed to play on any line. On the four line he is a wrecking ball and creates turnovers, but Hall/Rosehill/Newbury don't have the ability to cash in. Put him with Coots/Read - Rinaldo does the forecheck and dirty work in the corners, Coots gathers the loose puck and passes to Read who scores - rinse and repeat! Zack can't be worse than Talbot - who has been steady, but invisible (great on the PK). If Talbot and Hall were on line 4, they could handle more minutes (especially, if we were ahead). Hell, I'd even try Zack with G on line one. May Rinaldo's energy will boost G's game. Have Simmonds or Hartnell camp in front of the net - where skating is not a perquisite.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 9 @ 12:51 PM ET
You can't possibly be serious? He scored over 700 goals, and it wasn't by avoiding contact and staying in soft areas. One of the most famous goals he scored was at the front of the net. That's just making stuff up!
- MJL



He was cherry-picking behind the D on that play, Danny B style -- there was no crease-crashing, or fighting for position... the puck squirted to him, and he put it in.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 9 @ 12:53 PM ET
Dude that article pissed me off enough to make me send him an email ripping it
- nastyflyergirl


Did you tell him to get lost?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 9 @ 12:54 PM ET
Dude that article pissed me off enough to make me send him an email ripping it
- nastyflyergirl


It does come off as butthurt because Berube busted his balls.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 9 @ 12:56 PM ET
He was cherry-picking behind the D on that play, Danny B style -- there was no crease-crashing, or fighting for position... the puck squirted to him, and he put it in.
- Tomahawk



So you dispute that the front of the net is not a soft area of the ice? And watch the replay. He got in behind the defense, and scored. But not one but two players took runs at him. One before and one after the puck went in the net. So he clearly wasn't trying to avoid contact. But I'm done with this now, because the premise you offer is ridiculous, and nothing more needs to be said on it.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 9 @ 12:57 PM ET
Rinaldo has been playing some responsible hockey (carryover from late last year). I wouldn't mind rewarding his hustle and experimenting with Rinaldo at higher lines. He has the speed to play on any line. On the four line he is a wrecking ball and creates turnovers, but Hall/Rosehill/Newbury don't have the ability to cash in. Put him with Coots/Read - Rinaldo does the forecheck and dirty work in the corners, Coots gathers the loose puck and passes to Read who scores - rinse and repeat! Zack can't be worse than Talbot - who has been steady, but invisible (great on the PK). If Talbot and Hall were on line 4, they could handle more minutes (especially, if we were ahead). Hell, I'd even try Zack with G on line one. May Rinaldo's energy will boost G's game. Have Simmonds or Hartnell camp in front of the net - where skating is not a perquisite.
- leon neon

i agree reward the hardworkers bench the lazies
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Oct 9 @ 12:57 PM ET
It does come off as butthurt because Berube busted his balls.
- Jsaquella

Great moments come from great opportunity...

We've seen the beginning of a magical relationship.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 9 @ 12:59 PM ET
Did you tell him to get lost?
- PLindbergh31



haha damn it, I should have!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 9 @ 12:59 PM ET
i agree reward the hardworkers bench the lazies
- 2Real


He was playing on the 3rd line a bit last night. And there was a point early last night where the 3rd line got double shifted over the first line twice in a row.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 9 @ 1:00 PM ET
It does come off as butthurt because Berube busted his balls.
- Jsaquella



Its just yet another lazy article because we have NO idea what was done behind the scenes
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 9 @ 1:00 PM ET
He was playing on the 3rd line a bit last night. And there was a point early last night where the 3rd line got double shifted over the first line twice in a row.
- jmatchett383

i know and congrats to him for working for those minutes if someone wants those minutes back on the 3rd line well then go out there and earn it when you're there
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 9 @ 1:03 PM ET
He was playing on the 3rd line a bit last night. And there was a point early last night where the 3rd line got double shifted over the first line twice in a row.
- jmatchett383


3rd line also closed out the game which should send a message. G and Simmonds looked annoyed on the bench before that final change. Hopefully they were annoyed at their play and not the coachs decision
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 9 @ 1:04 PM ET
i know and congrats to him for working for those minutes if someone wants those minutes back on the 3rd line well then go out there and earn it when you're there
- 2Real


Absolutely. However, as far as playing on the top 2 lines, it almost seems like biting off your nose to spite your face. I mean, I'll work as hard as they want, but there's a limit to my ability. If one of the top 6 is slacking, I'm not opposed to a shift here or there, but I wouldn't want him playing there consistently.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 9 @ 1:05 PM ET
Its just yet another lazy article because we have NO idea what was done behind the scenes
- nastyflyergirl


I just hate the columns that shred things without offering insight at what the author feels would correct the issues. Anyone can sit there and say that the Culture is bad, but not offer tangible ideas on how to fix it.

Like when I called for Laviolette to get fired, I listed 6 or 7 coaches that I would have liked to see them replace him with. Seems fruitless to me to do it otherwise, because then it's just complaining.

That piece is little more than a pre-emptive criticism because Berube told the writer to get lost. He's automatically assuming that Berube will not discipline Rosehill because he got yelled at by Snider and Berube after his questions.

Can't ask tough questions and not expect a degree of hostility. Can't come in and lob grenades and not expect some fire being returned.
steveromanowski
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.27.2013

Oct 9 @ 1:07 PM ET
I still think Giroux and Voracek should stay together, so I'd like to see a Simmonds-G-Voracek line and bump Hartnell to the second line with Schenn and Vinny.
- mcefalu


Exactly even if hartnell has to get dropped to the third with what he isn't producing at all there but that third line would be great. Still think hartnell has something in him to score so I would keep on the second but if he still doesn't produce then you need to find him an easier role. I want more skill on that first line too which im not sure right now hartnell is providing. still have hope for this team.
JoeyG1951
Location: Campbell River, BC
Joined: 05.23.2010

Oct 9 @ 1:09 PM ET
Giroux/Vinny/Voracek
Hartnell/Schenn/Read
Rinaldo/Cooter/Smmonds
Hall/Talbot/Rosehill

- Jimmygrazz


Your best faceoff man becomes a winger on line one. Good pp unit though.
Panthers88
Florida Panthers
Location: It's gonna be a long one.., FL
Joined: 07.21.2009

Oct 9 @ 1:09 PM ET
It's fresh air to see that no one here is saying that the Flyers "whooped" the Panthers like every moron on tv is. I'll say it.. we should have won. Both of your goals came off ridiculous bounces and the second one came after Thomas got hurt. This being said we didn't capitalize on the PP when we should have. Mason was a freaking wall all night. Flyers didn't look like the usual force that I am accustomed to seeing. Maybe it was just me.

And Rosehill.. guy is a bafoon.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 9 @ 1:10 PM ET
So you dispute that the front of the net is not a soft area of the ice? And watch the replay. He got in behind the defense, and scored. But not one but two players took runs at him. One before and one after the puck went in the net. So he clearly wasn't trying to avoid contact. But I'm done with this now, because the premise you offer is ridiculous, and nothing more needs to be said on it.
- MJL



Watch how he just backs off after the faceoff... he doesn't tie his guy up or make any pretense at helping out.

Notice how he would rather skate behind/around defenders when he doesn't have the puck, even if his teammates need help or a passing outlet.

You might also see that he doesn't initiate any body contact once on that shift, despite it being OT in a Cup deciding game. Sure, he gets run at once in the corner, but he ducks and then slips away.

Despite this, he's behind the D before they know it and he doesn't get touched until after the puck is already in, Stanley Cup won.

That Brett Hull's hockey career in a nutshell.
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