Agreed. Hang onto the picks, draft and develop them well. Get your own Brodin or Trouba
- Jsaquella

i really have high hopes for Morin. Ideally i think he can really be a control-the-pace of an entire game type guy, similar to the way Pronger could.. but without the elite level point production.

but Trouba really seems to be the total package from the little i've seen.

Weber is elite. Best player in that deal. Ransom for sure but I guarantee for 30 minutes a night players wouldn't be parked in front of the net tsking advantage of us with weber in our lineup No matter what coach or system we decided to play
- SMS4016

He is elite. But getting him means gutting the draft for a couple years and losing a big part of the future already on the roster.

You also run the risk of injury. When the Flyers traded for Pronger, he had been pretty much healthy. They got a year out of him, and traded a good top 6 winger and basically 3 1st rounders for him.

If you're rebuilding, it's a bad idea to trade for a quick fix.

i really have high hopes for Morin. Ideally i think he can really be a control-the-pace of an entire game type guy, similar to the way Pronger could.. but without the elite level point production.

but a Trouba really seems to be the total package from the little i've seen.
- Crimsoninja

When it comes down to it, the Jets will choose Trouba over Buff.

I pray that the Flyers dont make some dumbass deal to bring that guy in.

I'm not saying either I wouldn't make a move, I'm just not willing to gut the team/system to make it happen.
- ob18

How are you enjoying the season so far? How about last season? Did you like Boston sweeping our sorry a$$es? How about nj taking it to us? Without elite talent that's what you get. Funny how it was different with pronger isn't it?

i really have high hopes for Morin. Ideally i think he can really be a control-the-pace of an entire game type guy, similar to the way Pronger could.. but without the elite level point production.

but a Trouba really seems to be the total package from the little i've seen.
- Crimsoninja

I asked Morin's team how he was doing they told me he's doing well and a GTD for Saturday to return.

How are you enjoying the season so far? How about last season? Did you like Boston sweeping our sorry a$$es? How about nj taking it to us? Without elite talent that's what you get. Funny how it was different with pronger isn't it?
- SMS4016

It's never fun not making it to the final or even winning a title but look at those who have did and how they did it, it wasn't by constantly moving picks & players to land studs to get them over the hump. It was mainly drafting & developing with trades to round out a roster for the final push.

Definately.

It should however be open season on majority of the veterans of this team around the deadline imo.
- flyer_nutter

That depends on where they sit in the standings. They have 78 games left. They have 4 more games before they have a six day break to really work on the changes Berube wants to make.

If they're competitive and in a playoff position at the TDL, why trade off veterans? If they're in 7th place, with no real chance, absolutely, fire sale on the veterans. But there's no need or reason to rush into a trade right now, unless somebody is willing to give you a great deal on a good player.

How are you enjoying the season so far? How about last season? Did you like Boston sweeping our sorry a$$es? How about nj taking it to us? Without elite talent that's what you get. Funny how it was different with pronger isn't it?
- SMS4016

See, I draw a line at a certain point though.

While this team chronically needs to revamp the D, and yes with elite talent, I dont want to completely deal from a position of weakness.

The deadline will be the most opportunistic time to make such a move.

This year, honestly is really shaping up to be just that. Team underperforms, sellers at the deadline. They did it a few years ago, and with some smart moves managed to bounce back with emerging youth and some solid additions (Briere, etc).

I think that time, will be upon us again.

How are you enjoying the season so far? How about last season? Did you like Boston sweeping our sorry a$$es? How about nj taking it to us? Without elite talent that's what you get. Funny how it was different with pronger isn't it?
- SMS4016

In one breath you talk about needing a rebuild, then in the next you say they need an elite player....which is it? They're pretty much mutually exclusive.

If you're going to rebuild, you don't trade for a Shea Weber. You don;t even move a ton of youth and picks for a PK Subban. You keep them and build with them.

You trade for a Shea Weber when you're one piece away from a serious run.

In one breath you talk about needing a rebuild, then in the next you say they need an elite player....which is it? They're pretty much mutually exclusive.

If you're going to rebuild, you don't trade for a Shea Weber. You don;t even move a ton of youth and picks for a PK Subban. You keep them and build with them.

You trade for a Shea Weber when you're one piece away from a serious run.
- Jsaquella

Not that they'd have a shot but I do like Roland McKeown but that would likely require another top 15 to 20 pick of course it's early.

Except for the fact that the guy was standing there smirking at him as Berube made the quip and was making direct eye contact. That's when Berube added the "dumb question... get lost!" The reporter then called additional attention to himself by leaving the room saying "Excuse me, I'm getting lost." in stage whisper tone.
- bmeltzer

Im getting the impression you don't like this guy. He smirked and looked directly into Berube's eyes? The nerve of the guy. He followed up Berube's quip with one of his own? Outrageous. I think Snider didn't like Sielski questioning the way the Flyers run their organization. He blew up at Sielski. Sielski didn't like the way Snider talked to him. Now he's taking shots at the Flyers and the Flyers are taking shots at him. Silly behavior on both sides. Reminds me a little of the old Panotch/Clarke banter from back when Panotch wrote for the Inqy.

That depends on where they sit in the standings. They have 78 games left. They have 4 more games before they have a six day break to really work on the changes Berube wants to make.

If they're competitive and in a playoff position at the TDL, why trade off veterans? If they're in 7th place, with no real chance, absolutely, fire sale on the veterans. But there's no need or reason to rush into a trade right now, unless somebody is willing to give you a great deal on a good player.
- Jsaquella

To me, even if they are flirting with a playoff spot they need to sell. They have to realise, as an organization that lady luck may strike, but reality will more them likely fist them up the ass.

Its a year, in my eyes, to restore a proud identity of hard work, dedication on/off the ice, and some solid defensive values. A year too late maybe, but the writing is on the wall as far as I am concerned.

This D will get them nowhere, and the season will show them who really deserves to stay long term. Its a big evaluation, and I expect them to sell at the deadline. With the draft in Philly, its almost that in a sick way the stars are aligning.

We'll be patient and we'll be dealing with these same problems 2 months, 4months, 6months, and all next year until we decide to do something about it.

In one breath you talk about needing a rebuild, then in the next you say they need an elite player....which is it? They're pretty much mutually exclusive.

If you're going to rebuild, you don't trade for a Shea Weber. You don;t even move a ton of youth and picks for a PK Subban. You keep them and build with them.

You trade for a Shea Weber when you're one piece away from a serious run.
- Jsaquella

See for me, I make exceptions for certain guys.

If they can get Weber, for say Schenn/Coots and a 1st. I make that deal today. You have a rock on defense for many years and need not worry. Build around Giroux and Weber and let the pieces fall where they may.

For a guy like Yandle? No I would have issues giving up so much.

Not that they'd have a shot but I do like Roland McKeown but that would likely require another top 15 to 20 pick of course it's early.
- ob18

I'd prefer they not have a top 15 pick again.

But there's a lot of season left. To assume things now is really jumping the gun, IMO. It's an ugly start, and they will likely be playing catch up after the first ten games or so...but there's no need to rush anything or take it for granted it's a lost season.

I'd prefer they not have a top 15 pick again.

But there's a lot of season left. To assume things now is really jumping the gun, IMO. It's an ugly start, and they will likely be playing catch up after the first ten games or so...but there's no need to rush anything or take it for granted it's a lost season.
- Jsaquella

Yup, I'd like a nice playoff run.

To me, even if they are flirting with a playoff spot they need to sell. They have to realise, as an organization that lady luck may strike, but reality will more them likely fist them up the ass.

Its a year, in my eyes, to restore a proud identity of hard work, dedication on/off the ice, and some solid defensive values. A year too late maybe, but the writing is on the wall as far as I am concerned.

This D will get them nowhere, and the season will show them who really deserves to stay long term. Its a big evaluation, and I expect them to sell at the deadline. With the draft in Philly, its almost that in a sick way the stars are aligning.
- flyer_nutter

If you subtract a couple of veterans, they're a very young team. The vets are mostly there as secondary guys, anyhow, except in the case of Timonen.

Also, if things are going well by the TDL, and they're in position for a playoff spot, why sell pieces off? I'm not saying they should start adding pieces if they're in a playoff spot, but if they can make the playoffs, they absolutely should.

As for the D, I wait and see what Berube does. I wait and see if Holmgren can swing a deal to improve it. It's not a black and white thing. It's shades of gray. At the very least I want to see what happens when the coach adjusts the system to the capabilities of the roster.

Yup, I'd like a nice playoff run.
- ob18

I just want patience. They've had Berube as coach for 3 days and played one game. I want to see what he does before I start declaring a lost season.

In one breath you talk about needing a rebuild, then in the next you say they need an elite player....which is it? They're pretty much mutually exclusive.

If you're going to rebuild, you don't trade for a Shea Weber. You don;t even move a ton of youth and picks for a PK Subban. You keep them and build with them.

You trade for a Shea Weber when you're one piece away from a serious run.
- Jsaquella

Not true. Just for giggles say we traded b schenn coots coburn 2 1st for subban? So what? That solves our#1 dman need. Our d would noe be slotted correctly. Even if you added read to the package so what? Were plenty deep at forward. Plus we have morin ghost cousins Laughton coming stolarz all coming in the next few years. Plus we wouldn't have to pay schenn coots coburn read so more cap room to fill in free agency. And were a few years off anyways.

If you subtract a couple of veterans, they're a very young team. The vets are mostly there as secondary guys, anyhow, except in the case of Timonen.

Also, if things are going well by the TDL, and they're in position for a playoff spot, why sell pieces off? I'm not saying they should start adding pieces if they're in a playoff spot, but if they can make the playoffs, they absolutely should.

As for the D, I wait and see what Berube does. I wait and see if Holmgren can swing a deal to improve it. It's not a black and white thing. It's shades of gray. At the very least I want to see what happens when the coach adjusts the system to the capabilities of the roster.
- Jsaquella

Makes sense. We differ on a few things but Im with you on waiting to see what Berube does.

Evaluation year for everyone.

The one thing I will say, I think most of the guys on this team are what they are. You will (hopefully) see further development out of Coots/bSchenn but the rest to me are established in who they are.

I'm done with excuses, if this team by the end of the year shows they are, when I think they will be... It will be time to face reality. 78 games though, who knows what can happen.

I just want patience. They've had Berube as coach for 3 days and played one game. I want to see what he does before I start declaring a lost season.
- Jsaquella

We are in the same boat.

If you subtract a couple of veterans, they're a very young team. The vets are mostly there as secondary guys, anyhow, except in the case of Timonen.

Also, if things are going well by the TDL, and they're in position for a playoff spot, why sell pieces off? I'm not saying they should start adding pieces if they're in a playoff spot, but if they can make the playoffs, they absolutely should.

As for the D, I wait and see what Berube does. I wait and see if Holmgren can swing a deal to improve it. It's not a black and white thing. It's shades of gray. At the very least I want to see what happens when the coach adjusts the system to the capabilities of the roster.
- Jsaquella

i know you've said it in the past but i really agree the defense will look alot better if the team defense improves.

I look at some of the teams in the East and I dont see all that much more talent on their bluelines. I mean i like guys like Reinhart and Hamonic on the Isles but they arent a pair of studs or anything. Phaneuf and Subban are good but beyond that neither team is stacked back there... same with the Pens and Sens and Devils

Not true. Just for giggles say we traded b schenn coots coburn 2 1st for subban? So what? That solves our#1 dman need. Our d would noe be slotted correctly. Even if you added read to the package so what? Were plenty deep at forward. Plus we have morin ghost cousins Laughton coming stolarz all coming in the next few years. Plus we wouldn't have to pay schenn coots coburn read so more cap room to fill in free agency. And were a few years off anyways.
- SMS4016

If they're a few years off, keep the picks and kids and then get Subban as a free agent. He's not likely to give the Habs a home town discount after their dealings with him this past contract and then you can strike and not have to trade any assets for him.

Yup, I'd like a nice playoff run.
- ob18

I'd rather they build for a true cup contender

i know you've said it in the past but i really agree the defense will look alot better if the team defense improves.

I look at some of the teams in the East and I dont see all that much more talent on their bluelines. I mean i like guys like Reinhart and Hamonic on the Isles but they arent a pair of studs or anything. Phaneuf and Subban are good but beyond that neither team is stacked back there... same with the Pens and Sens and Devils
- Crimsoninja

And Reinhart was sent back to juniors today. In the "long term" Islanders plans I guess/