He's shown little to no progression, hence why the Leafs didn't mind seeing him go.

You guys probably felt the same way towards JVR at the time of the trade.
- Pecafan Fan

Schenn's offense wasn't as good as his rookie year, but his defense was pretty damn phenomenal, despite the occasional overcommit of a big hit.

There is, but Winnipeg actually has some very capable defensemen and good depth on their blueline. Enstrom, Hainsey, Bogosian and Mark Stuart gave them a pretty solid top five last year, and this year, with the addition of a tremendously talented rookie like Jacob Trouba, Byfuglien's two way role has actually increased.
- Jsaquella

Thank f'ing god the Pens took Pouliot ahead of Trouba...

I know. Plus, I think the best top pairings are made up of two guys who can provide a little offense. Not saying they need to be Keith/Seabrook or Shattenkirk/Pietrangelo, but they each need to be able to give a little something.

I don't think Schenn will ever be that type of player.
- PhillySportsGuy

Better hope JVR doesn't become a consistent 30 goal scoring power forward, if you think Schenn is a Chris Therien clone.

I understand what he did last year. I said he was struggling this year so far, and of course people take it to the extreme.
- PLindbergh31

I think you originally said something about Schenn developing into a 4/5 defenseman to which I replied he is already a 2nd pairing defenseman.

Better hope JVR doesn't become a consistent 30 goal scoring power forward, if you think Schenn is a Chris Therien clone.
- PLindbergh31

Chris Therien pre-lockout was a perfect compliment to Eric Desjardins, who's pretty much in the same field as Kimmo Timonen.

Thank f'ing god the Pens took Pouliot ahead of Trouba...
- Tomahawk

Pens don't need Trouba. They got Maata.

Better hope JVR doesn't become a consistent 30 goal scoring power forward, if you think Schenn is a Chris Therien clone.
- PLindbergh31

I think I'll sleep tonight.

Thank f'ing god the Pens took Pouliot ahead of Trouba...
- Tomahawk

Yeah...ho hum, my first NHL game as a 19 year old, I'll just step in and look like a 28 year old Norris winner. No sweat

He's shown little to no progression, hence why the Leafs didn't mind seeing him go.

You guys probably felt the same way towards JVR at the time of the trade.
- Pecafan Fan

I felt JVR had a concussion. Stumbled a little because of the expectations he set against Boston in the playoffs but I thought he was developing fine.

Didn't like the trade. I thought we sold extremely low. Didn't like the return.

Most of my thread-mates disagree.

Chris Therien pre-lockout was a perfect compliment to Eric Desjardins, who's pretty much in the same field as Kimmo Timonen.
- jmatchett383

If you are happy with Schenn being Chris Therien redux, whatever floats your boat.

I felt JVR had a concussion. Stumbled a little because of the expectations he set against Boston in the playoffs but I thought he was developing fine.

Didn't like the trade. I thought we sold extremely low. Didn't like the return.

Most of my thread-mates disagree.
- mayorofangrytown

They did sell low. That said, if they hadn't traded for Schenn, we would have had to endure 48 games of Kurtis Foster last year.

Schenn has a decent shot. I think he will eventually become more of an offensive threat.

If you are happy with Schenn being Chris Therien redux, whatever floats your boat.
- PLindbergh31

If he becomes a great compliment to a true #1 defenseman, I will be more than happy with it. Also, if he does to Crosby what Therien did to Jagr, that helps a lot.

I felt JVR had a concussion. Stumbled a little because of the expectations he set against Boston in the playoffs but I thought he was developing fine.

Didn't like the trade. I thought we sold extremely low. Didn't like the return.

Most of my thread-mates disagree.
- mayorofangrytown

ask me in several years

I felt JVR had a concussion. Stumbled a little because of the expectations he set against Boston in the playoffs but I thought he was developing fine.

Didn't like the trade. I thought we sold extremely low. Didn't like the return.

Most of my thread-mates disagree.
- mayorofangrytown

They did sell low, but I like Schenn. He's got to find consistency, but to write him off at age 23 seems shortsighted.

I felt JVR had a concussion. Stumbled a little because of the expectations he set against Boston in the playoffs but I thought he was developing fine.

Didn't like the trade. I thought we sold extremely low. Didn't like the return.

Most of my thread-mates disagree.
- mayorofangrytown

I didn't like the trade either. Flyers were put in a desperate spot when they swung and missed with Weber/Suter then had Mez tear his achilles in the offseason.

I don't think it's going to kill us like people think though.

At worst, we have a young top 4 defenseman for a long time. I don't think JVR is going to become an annual all star. He may have some good years, but he won't make us shake our heads like the Sharp deal.

If you are happy with Schenn being Chris Therien redux, whatever floats your boat.
- PLindbergh31

Can we go back to talking about other team's players that we want. That is much less depressing.

They did sell low. That said, if they hadn't traded for Schenn, we would have had to endure 48 games of Kurtis Foster last year.
- jmatchett383

Well thank the gods because that would have killed our non playoff yr.

Better hope JVR doesn't become a consistent 30 goal scoring power forward, if you think Schenn is a Chris Therien clone.
- PLindbergh31

I'd like to see him score 20-goals more than once before I'm convinced he's a threat for 30. Sure, he was on pace for 30 last season, but Patrick Marleau was on a 100-goal pace in January and ended up w/ 17.

If he becomes a great compliment to a true #1 defenseman, I will be more than happy with it.
- jmatchett383

Flyers have had a plethora of # 1 dmen in the 40+ years they have been in existence. They will just pluck one from the # 1 D-man tree.

Can we go back to talking about other team's players that we want. That is much less depressing.
- youarewrong

Shea Weber
Bobby Ryan
Alex Pietrangelo
J-Bo ca. 2007
Shea Weber
Stamkos to the Flyers (e3)

I'd like to see him score 20-goals more than once before I'm convinced he's a threat for 30. Sure, he was on pace for 30 last season, but Patrick Marleau was on a 100-goal pace in January and ended up w/ 17.
- Tomahawk

True enough. By no means am I declaring the Leafs the winner of the deal at this point.

If you are happy with Schenn being Chris Therien redux, whatever floats your boat.
- PLindbergh31

You do realize that finding people to stop superstars is just as important as finding superstars right?

They did sell low, but I like Schenn. He's got to find consistency, but to write him off at age 23 seems shortsighted.
- Jsaquella

Don't let my opinion of the trade reflect directly on Luke Schenn. I think he's a decent Defenseman. I thought and still think we should have gotten more back for JVR. The trade stinks not necessarily the player.

I'd like to see him score 20-goals more than once before I'm convinced he's a threat for 30. Sure, he was on pace for 30 last season, but Patrick Marleau was on a 100-goal pace in January and ended up w/ 17.
- Tomahawk

You knew JVR would get off to a hot start with his new team. Once things calm down, he will revert back to his inconsistent ways.