Grossmann is one of my favorite defenders on this team. Much rather see Meszaros or Coburn traded. But Schenn is the best Hitting Defenseman. Grossmann is a close second.
- youarewrong

they are good when they can catch their opponent

I don't think Dustin Byfuglien's ever eaten a wafer-thin anything.
- dilbert719

In very, very large quantities, maybe.

You're overvaluing his "strengths" imo. Being able to and willing to sacrifice your body to block a shot is admirable and a trait I want. It becomes an issue (to me) when it's your only line of defense. Courageous does not necessarily equal good.
- bradleyc4

Well then let's toss his useless self away for some 6th rounders.

You're overvaluing his "strengths" imo. Being able to and willing to sacrifice your body to block a shot is admirable and a trait I want. It becomes an issue (to me) when it's your only line of defense. Courageous does not necessarily equal good.
- bradleyc4

Grossmann is not a top pairing guy, but he is a solid 2nd pairing guy almost league wide. His limitations are his passing and shooting and Skating. However he makes up for the skating by being in good positions. His cap hit is low league wide for what he does. The Flyers would have no trouble moving him.

Well then let's toss his useless self away for some 6th rounders.
- jmatchett383

You can just say, "I value hits and blocked shots more" and we can politely move on.

your D is in trouble when Grossman is the best
- vejim

Context is your friend.

You can just say, "I value hits and blocked shots more" and we can politely move on.
- bradleyc4

You argued he had no value ("if they'd take his contract off our hands"), or that he would be hard to move. I simply stated that, if you give any heed to his strengths, that's not the case.
You may be the most negative person on this board, and that's coming from a negative guy. I may overvalue him, which is natural to do. I'll admit it, I might. Would you admit you undervalue you him? or do you want to win the argument that badly?

they are good when they can catch their opponent
- vejim

Its a good thing the offense always skates towards the defense then, isnt it?

You argued he had no value ("if they'd take his contract off our hands), or that he would be hard to move. I simply stated that, if you give any heed to his strengths, that's not the case.
You may be the most negative person on this board, and that's coming from a negative guy.
- jmatchett383

So what you just said is..."I, Pot, am calling you, Kettle, black." lol

So what you just said is..."I, Pot, am calling you, Kettle, black." lol
- youarewrong

Yep. Pretty much.

You argued he had no value ("if they'd take his contract off our hands"), or that he would be hard to move. I simply stated that, if you give any heed to his strengths, that's not the case.
You may be the most negative person on this board, and that's coming from a negative guy. I may overvalue him, which is natural to do. I'll admit it, I might. Would you admit you undervalue you him? or do you want to win the argument that badly?
- jmatchett383

I am very positive about the draft in Philly...when do tickets go on sale?

does Giroux have a no trade?
- vejim

No-move clause. BTW, his cap hit goes up to $8.275m next year, with a $5m signing bonus.

http://capgeek.com/player/748

You argued he had no value ("if they'd take his contract off our hands"), or that he would be hard to move. I simply stated that, if you give any heed to his strengths, that's not the case.
You may be the most negative person on this board, and that's coming from a negative guy. I may overvalue him, which is natural to do. I'll admit it, I might. Would you admit you undervalue you him? or do you want to win the argument that badly?
- jmatchett383

I take exception to that.

You argued he had no value ("if they'd take his contract off our hands"), or that he would be hard to move. I simply stated that, if you give any heed to his strengths, that's not the case.
You may be the most negative person on this board, and that's coming from a negative guy.
- jmatchett383

At $3.5 million per, yes, I feel that his contract outweighs his on-ice value.

As for me being negative, fair enough. I just feel like I have different opinions of some aspects of the team compared to the majority in here and bring them up for discussion.

If you prefer a daily Giroux circle-jerk (when he finally starts playing well again), that's just not my cup of tea.

No-move clause. BTW, his cap hit goes up to $8.275m next year, with a $5m signing bonus.

http://capgeek.com/player/748
- Raven728

so much for trading Giroux

so much for trading Giroux
- vejim

NMC doesn't kick in until a year or two.

I am very positive about the draft in Philly...when do tickets go on sale?
- vejim

They wont. They will go to season ticket holders, and like in NJ there will be a contest for everyone else.

I know I'm a little late to the party, but, regarding the columnists questioning Berube about punishing Rosehill...I don't really have a problem with the question. The Flyers made a point of saying that with the coaching change players are now going to be held accountable for their actions; as if Laviolette wasn't doing this. In the new coaches first game a player does something very undisciplined and puts a very close game in jeopardy. As Bill suggests, maybe the question was asked in a snarky way and the columnist was goading Berube. Regardless, I don't think it's such a crazy question considering the circumstances and could have been diffused easily by saying something like, "we deal with player discipline privately and don't discuss it with the press". That being said, I don't mind or blame Berube for answering the way he did. He's a macho guy and if someone swings at him he's going to swing back. It all makes for good entertainment. We haven't seen this kind of back and forth with the media since Pronger got hurt.

At $3.5 million per, yes, I feel that his contract outweighs his on-ice value.

As for me being negative, fair enough. I just feel like I have different opinions of some aspects of the team compared to the majority in here and bring them up for discussion.

If you prefer a daily Giroux circle-jerk (when he finally starts playing well again), that's just not my cup of tea.
- bradleyc4

I wonder how lavy feels about Giroux?

At $3.5 million per, yes, I feel that his contract outweighs his on-ice value.

As for me being negative, fair enough. I just feel like I have different opinions of some aspects of the team compared to the majority in here and bring them up for discussion.

If you prefer a daily Giroux circle-jerk (when he finally starts playing well again), that's just not my cup of tea.
- bradleyc4

Ugh...keep your circle jerks away from the tea!

I take exception to that.
- PLindbergh31

NMC doesn't kick in until a year or two.
- bradleyc4

I was thinking the same thing, but I would need MJL to confirm. Isnt there a certain age you have to be before you can get a NMC? Isnt that how they were able to move Frick and Frack?

- tangent_man

I was thinking the same thing, but I would need MJL to confirm. Isnt there a certain age you have to be before you can get a NMC? Isnt that how they were able to move Frick and Frack?
- youarewrong

Different CBA at the time...might be a factor.

They wont. They will go to season ticket holders, and like in NJ there will be a contest for everyone else.
- youarewrong

I was a season ticket holder for 27 years, I wonder if Eddie would make an exception?