what happened to the NY Giants this year Pelle?

jeebus they are worse then the iggles
- Marc D

Clown-ey question bro....

Wait, is there an actual ignore list feature now?

Although if I blocked who I would want to I would still have to see the other half of the daily arguments.
- hereticpride

No, there's just a group of people who, when they post, I am just not gonna bother reading because it's not worth my time. And I don't mean that to come off as pompous as it sounds, just that I'm not going to argue in circles anymore.

Wait, is there an actual ignore list feature now?

Although if I blocked who I would want to I would still have to see the other half of the daily arguments.
- hereticpride

No, you wouldn't!

Just keep 1 eye closed & only see 1/4 of them.

am I on your list?
whaforhedundothat?
- Marc D

No, you're fine...so far

DUN DUN DUN!!!

Philadelphia, where being the goalie or being the C gives you a target right in the middle of your forehead.
- bodiva88

I'm wondering how long it's going to take for Giroux to start getting the same treatment that happened to some other top players here. Before the fans turn on him.

Not enough arguing going on....

Cmon guys you are better than that.
- PLindbergh31

I disagree, we're not better than anything. Not even Bud Light.

Between Yandle and OEL they have 2 guys who are extremely good at the puck possession game that the Flyers clearly are sucking at with their current line up.

I have sometimes wished the Flyers bit the bullet and paid the ransome to get a Yandle trade done. I know I'm in the minority saying this but I think he would have made a huge difference for the Flyers and is the kind of player who would drive their offense attack. I hated the rumored asking price and if I had to make the decision would have done the same as Homer and held onto the young center and high draft pick it would have taken to pull it off, but I do have some regrets about it now. In the long run developing their own puck possession d man via the draft is much better, but we now have to suffer watching them struggle until they do it.

It is especially noticeable in games where the Yotes are behind a goal late, Yandle and Oel take over and they control the puck and generate good scoring chances. With the Flyers in the same situation generally there is an empty net goal against them.
- Marc D

The Flyers used to have a defense pairing that did the same. Pronger and Carle. Unfortunately, both are no longer in the lineup.

No, there's just a group of people who, when they post, I am just not gonna bother reading because it's not worth my time. And I don't mean that to come off as pompous as it sounds, just that I'm not going to argue in circles anymore.
- jmatchett383

Not pompous at all. I'm in the same boat. Im tired of such a negative atmosphere of endless arguing being tired to Bill's writing. Ignoring it is all I can do anymore.

No, you wouldn't!

Just keep 1 eye closed & only see 1/4 of them.
- Flyskippy

I disagree, we're not better than anything. Not even Bud Light.
- BulliesPhan87

The Flyers used to have a defense pairing that did the same. Pronger and Carle. Unfortunately, both are no longer in the lineup.
- MJL

In retrospect I would not mind having matt carle back about now.
Pronger is too sad to talk about.

Not pompous at all. I'm in the same boat. Im tired of such a negative atmosphere of endless arguing being tired to Bill's writing. Ignoring it is all I can do anymore.
- hereticpride

Yeah, pretty much. It sucks because if it's actually good hockey talk, I'll miss out on a little of it. But it's really like Angelo Cataldi gets on here sometimes. Gotta have a few routine scapegoats and emphasize flaws whenever possible.

In retrospect I would not mind having matt carle back about now.
Pronger is too sad to talk about.
- Marc D

Apparently he was getting torn to shreds down in TB. But, if we could work some kind of deal for him where TB took, say, Meszaros and retained maybe $1.5M, sadly, I might be on board.

This should start some conversation. With back to back games tonight and tomorrow, would it maybe be a good idea to sit Timonen for one of those games and get Gus into the lineup? Kimmo's a warrior and he won't like it, but it may be best for both him and the team for him NOT to play on back to back nights.

Apparently he was getting torn to shreds down in TB. But, if we could work some kind of deal for him where TB took, say, Meszaros and retained maybe $1.5M, sadly, I might be on board.
- jmatchett383

Would be even better if you could talk TB into taking Streit for him, but that will never happen.

This should start some conversation. With back to back games tonight and tomorrow, would it maybe be a good idea to sit Timonen for one of those games and get Gus into the lineup? Kimmo's a warrior and he won't like it, but it may be best for both him and the team for him NOT to play on back to back nights.
- BiggE

I don't think Timonen would go for it. He's too proud a player. He plays through almost every injury.

This should start some conversation. With back to back games tonight and tomorrow, would it maybe be a good idea to sit Timonen for one of those games and get Gus into the lineup? Kimmo's a warrior and he won't like it, but it may be best for both him and the team for him NOT to play on back to back nights.
- BiggE

BURN HIM!
I'd sit someone, maybe Kimmo or Mez. Not a bad idea.

Also, as a general note, I'm sick and (frank)ing tired of people poopting on Coburn and Grossmann. These guys are paid UNDER what they'd get if they hit the open market. People female dog and moan about them all day because they expect them to be perfect shutdown defenders who are mobile, have 100 MPH slapshots, and are without fault. To those people, screw your (frank)ing heads on.

Every member of the defense (save Schenn and Timonen) had an absolutely abysmal year last year. That includes Gustafsson up until the very end. But if you look at the defenses around the league, Coburn and Grossmann are on par or better than what most of the NHL can offer in their 4-6 D spots. I'm sorry Coburn had a horrible season where the entire team sucked and that he hasn't produced at the same clip he did in 07/08. I'm sorry Grossmann is about an unsexy as a player can be, only being one of the better bottom-3 defensive defensemen in the league.

You heard the saying "The Grass Isn't Always Greener?" That's what you'd get if you just "dumped" one of these players. They'd go off to a team that actually plays with a good team defense, and although they'd be the same players and play to the same level, you'd all be moaning about how good they are, and why they never played like that here. In short, you can all go (frank) yourselves and actually learn why this highly competent defense can't seemingly function.
- jmatchett383

Seriously?

This is just simple overvaluing of players. One coaching change and one system change doesn't negate entirely whatever limitations a player has.

Starting at the same point, a slow player is going to lose a puck race to Pavel Bure, no matter who the coach is, what team they play for, no matter what system they play.

At some point, you have to realize and acknowledge that the other teams have players and coaches, too. And as of this point in the season, the Flyers have one victory: Over the team that last year had the worst record in the entire league.

No one wants to be overly negative, and I understand your point on that. But moving a player or two out of the lineup or bringing in a player or two from elsewhere wouldn't exactly be breaking up the 1980s Edmonton Oilers.

That's just being honest. Not a native of Negadelphia, or a Kool-Aid Drinker. That's just reality.

Would be even better if you could talk TB into taking Streit for him, but that will never happen.
- BiggE

Yeah, I pretty much see them as having the same skill set, just change Streit's shot for Carle's somewhat willingness to engage physically from time to time and Carle being younger.

I don't think Timonen would go for it. He's too proud a player. He plays through almost every injury.
- PLindbergh31

I'm not sure if him going for it or not fits into the equation. If the coach tells you that you are scratched, you are scratched. I'm just not sure if Berube would do that to a player as respected as Timonen, but at 38 years old, a few nights off during the season really wouldn't be a bad idea.

Yeah, I pretty much see them as having the same skill set, just change Streit's shot for Carle's somewhat willingness to engage physically from time to time and Carle being younger.
- jmatchett383

The main difference to me is Carle's speed.

The main difference to me is Carle's speed.
- BiggE

And cap hit

The main difference to me is Carle's speed.
- BiggE

The main difference for me is that Carle is actually good.

Seriously?

This is just simple overvaluing of players. One coaching change and one system change doesn't negate entirely whatever limitations a player has.

Starting at the same point, a slow player is going to lose a puck race to Pavel Bure, no matter who the coach is, what team they play for, no matter what system they play.

At some point, you have to realize and acknowledge that the other teams have players and coaches, too. And as of this point in the season, the Flyers have one victory: Over the team that last year had the worst record in the entire league.

No one wants to be overly negative, and I understand your point on that. But moving a player or two out of the lineup or bringing in a player or two from elsewhere wouldn't exactly be breaking up the 1980s Edmonton Oilers.

That's just being honest. Not a native of Negadelphia, or a Kool-Aid Drinker. That's just reality.
- AllInForFlyers

well, Coburn is not a slow player

It kind of makes sense, doesn't it?

By taking him out of the ES rotation, you can mitigate his defensive shortcomings, not have to line-match as carefully to shelter him from matchups. Plus, he hasn't shown that he's any better at triggering the breakout at ES than anybody else, so keeping him in the rotation for that reason seems a bit silly.

Where he's really useful is in the o-zone and PP... so why not selectively employ him there? Like how all of Marc-Andre Bergeron's teams have used him -- an off-the-bench offensive secret weapon.
- Tomahawk

There's a ying and a yang there. Yea, you might mitigate his defensive shortcomings. But you take away his strength and why you brought him onto the team. His ability to move the puck. And he is better at it then any other defenseman on the team, and he has shown that. When this team starts playing a much better team game, and get's far better at the possession game, Streit's puck abilities will be more apparent. Not in favor of that idea.