I've mentioned that here before about G, but I can't see them pulling the C from him now. The captain isn't always the best player. He needs to find a way to step up here. I have faith that this team turns it around and it needs to start with G.
- LJF

i agree it needs to start with him he is the star he is in truth an elite player he needs to kick his own a$$ in gear ... my point is that we need a captain right now that can handle this when kimmo was in Nashville the team was not that good he led the team... how many years did Vinny stand up for a losing team ... Steirt was captain of the islanders that just speaks for it self... these guys have experience with poor preforming teams these guys have had experience trying to turn corners and sometimes experience wins out and i think this maybe one of those times

I thought you guys needed Defense man who actually had a clue how to play the position ? I don't get the Streit signing either. How is he any better then Timmo?
- blizzzard

Right now he is much better on the PP than Kimmo and should be running the top unit from the point.

Right now he is much better on the PP than Kimmo and should be running the top unit from the point.
- Feanor

kimmo looks terrible this year completely out played and over matched...

Right now he is much better on the PP than Kimmo and should be running the top unit from the point.
- Feanor

Is Kimmo done after this year? and What is wrong with Mesz? have injuries cause him to totally lose his game all together ?

Im glad someone else sees this... Ive seen this pretty much right when we got him... Hes never going to have another 30 goal season... and hes making way to much money to do nothing... 4.7 to barely know how to skate, take dumb penalties, score 20 goals (if he even does that). To me there has only been a few players that have really stood out. LeCavalier, Read, B. Schenn, Gus, McGinn. - Streit is a nightmare to watch... havent seen any ''break out'' passes... Isnt that why we got him?
- Flyers-All-Day

I saw him make a great one against Phoenix that created a 2 on 1 that the forwards couldn't finish.

Just because they have a NMC doesn't mean they can't be moved. If a GM makes it apparent they no longer want a player around, the player may become uncomfortable playing for the team and waive his NMC, or work witht he GM to find a team they'd be ok going to.
- JAKEw1234

or may not. Briere was bought out rather than traded because of his NMC. It was in his best interest to force the Flyers to spend money to get rid of him. Briere's NMC allowed him to extract paydays from 2 different teams.

Is Kimmo done after this year? and What is wrong with Mesz? have injuries cause him to totally lose his game all together ?
- blizzzard

I'm pretty sure that he wanted to retire last year but Holmgren begged him to come back because although the Flyers have the most expensive blueline, they don't have any players who would be considered a top pairing defenseman.

The biggest reason why people, including me, at the time of the draft weren't too happy with the Morin pick because he projects to be fairly one dimensional as a shut-down d-man.

Now Morin, isn't by any means the sole concern, and is actually a bright spot currently. However it is kind of weird that they chose to pick a fairly one-dimensional guy, in an area where better all round talent is needed.

or may not. Briere was bought out rather than traded because of his NMC. It was in his best interest to force the Flyers to spend money to get rid of him. Briere's NMC allowed him to extract paydays from 2 different teams.
- Flyers_01

he was bought because no one would touch that contract.

Is Kimmo done after this year? and What is wrong with Mesz? have injuries cause him to totally lose his game all together ?
- blizzzard

He should be, and yes. Meszaros' game is gone, just like Wade Redden and Scott Gomez. You watch him play and you can fool yourself into thinking there's still something there, but there isn't. Not on a bad team. You can probably hide him on a good team, but not on a team like the Flyers, where there is absolutely no margin for error right now.

Meszaros has become an "empty" player. His minutes don't do anything to help the team win.

Is Kimmo done after this year? and What is wrong with Mesz? have injuries cause him to totally lose his game all together ?
- blizzzard

Honestly I am a little biased, but I thought Meszaros was pretty solid this year. Getting better with every game, and one of the few d-men that actually has some creativity, and transition to his game.

Weird to bench him, and leave good ol' "being asked to do too much" Coburn in the lineup, or Luke Schenn/Timonen who have been horrific.

Streit is in a league of his own. Guy is apparently a good transition d-man, but cant skate for poop and is brutal in his own end. 5.25 million.

Is Kimmo done after this year? and What is wrong with Mesz? have injuries cause him to totally lose his game all together ?
- blizzzard

in my opinion Mez has looked a little better as of late but he was the odd man out to sit for Gus personally i would have sat Kimmo

He should be, and yes. Meszaros' game is gone, just like Wade Redden and Scott Gomez. You watch him play and you can fool yourself into thinking there's still something there, but there isn't. Not on a bad team. You can probably hide him on a good team, but not on a team like the Flyers, where there is absolutely no margin for error right now.

Meszaros has become an "empty" player. His minutes don't do anything to help the team win.
- AllInForFlyers

Crazy when you think about skilled guys who just wake up one morning and don't have it anymore. I remember when the Lock out happened and the game changed the amount of great players became crap that was mostly a speed issue but the Eric Daze's and so on.

He should be, and yes. Meszaros' game is gone, just like Wade Redden and Scott Gomez. You watch him play and you can fool yourself into thinking there's still something there, but there isn't. Not on a bad team. You can probably hide him on a good team, but not on a team like the Flyers, where there is absolutely no margin for error right now.

Meszaros has become an "empty" player. His minutes don't do anything to help the team win.
- AllInForFlyers

Honestly I don't get where such hate for the guy comes from.

I personally think Coburn, Timonen, Luke Schenn and Streit have all been much worse. At least Meszaros provides you a transition game, and some speed.

he was bought because no one would touch that contract.
- hereticpride

You must be thinking of Mezsaros as his contract is backloaded. That's why the Flyers couldn't move him. Briere's contract was FRONTLOADED. Briere was owed 3 mill this year and 2 mill next year.

How many cap floor teams would've loved to pay Briere 5 mill TOTAL over the next 2 years while accruing 6.5 mill/yr cap hit. Plenty.

Rotoworld :

Holmgren did not divulge to what part of the body the injury occurred but did say that Hartnell "turned to retrieve a pass and felt some stabbing pain. No one was around him." This is a serious blow to Hartnell owners as he struggled last season when he returned from a broken foot.

Honestly I don't get where such hate for the guy comes from.

I personally think Coburn, Timonen, Luke Schenn and Streit have all been much worse. At least Meszaros provides you a transition game, and some speed.
- flyer_nutter

I don't hate the guy. At all.

But he can't play anymore. I'm sorry. He can't. Whether it's the injuries or whatever, limited hockey sense or whatever, Andrej Meszaros cannot produce at this level.

The best he can do for you is get on the ice and not get scored on. He will not create offense. He will not stop other players.

Let's not forget that he was dumped out of Tampa Bay, a few years back, and that his greatest success here was on a third pairing where Chris Pronger, Matt Carle, Braydon Coburn and Kimmo Timonen ate every single tough minute that could be played.

Meszaros since then has had back surgery, two shoulder surgeries and a blown-out Achilles.

He can't play anymore. I'm sorry. He can't.

Crazy when you think about skilled guys who just wake up one morning and don't have it anymore. I remember when the Lock out happened and the game changed the amount of great players became crap that was mostly a speed issue but the Eric Daze's and so on.
- blizzzard

I still say a big issue on this team lies in the fact that they are soft to play against. They apparently have these big forwards who excel in the trenches but the Flyers continuously lose battles along the walls, and more importantly have a really poopty net presence.

A lot of issues it seems.

I don't hate the guy. At all.

But he can't play anymore. I'm sorry. He can't. Whether it's the injuries or whatever, limited hockey sense or whatever, Andrej Meszaros cannot produce at this level.

The best he can do for you is get on the ice and not get scored on. He will not create offense. He will not stop other players.

Let's not forget that he was dumped out of Tampa Bay, a few years back, and that his greatest success here was on a third pairing where Chris Pronger, Matt Carle, Braydon Coburn and Kimmo Timonen ate every single tough minute that could be played.


Meszaros since then has had back surgery, two shoulder surgeries and a blown-out Achilles.

He can't play anymore. I'm sorry. He can't.
- AllInForFlyers

No worries. I think you will see just how much game he has left in the Olympics

The biggest reason why people, including me, at the time of the draft weren't too happy with the Morin pick because he projects to be fairly one dimensional as a shut-down d-man.

Now Morin, isn't by any means the sole concern, and is actually a bright spot currently. However it is kind of weird that they chose to pick a fairly one-dimensional guy, in an area where better all round talent is needed.
- flyer_nutter

Luke Schenn 2.0.

No worries. I think you will see just how much game he has left in the Olympics
- flyer_nutter

if we have to wait that long we are screwed

No worries. I think you will see just how much game he has left in the Olympics
- flyer_nutter

Ha! If he plays Top 6 minutes for Slovakia in the Olympics, well...wow. That's not going to end well for them.

Morin already showed an offensive game well ahead of expectations.

Ha! If he plays Top 6 minutes for Slovakia in the Olympics, well...wow. That's not going to end well for them.
- AllInForFlyers

He will definitely play those minutes if healthy.

I am a fan of his I wont lie, but honestly cant see the need to bench him. He has improved with every game and on a D that lacks any kind of speed or transition game he is one of the few who can bring it.

I'd be more concerned about Timonen, Coburn and Luke Schenn personally.

Crazy when you think about skilled guys who just wake up one morning and don't have it anymore. I remember when the Lock out happened and the game changed the amount of great players became crap that was mostly a speed issue but the Eric Daze's and so on.
- blizzzard

You know the thing about it? It happens all the time. You see guys who have gotten it done for years, and boom. They lose just a little something off the fastball, and it's over.

Scott Gomez never stopped playing hard. His mind would tell him what needs to happen. But his hands and speed left him, in the blink of an eye. He literally couldn't get to where he needed to be on the ice, and if he did, his hands wouldn't let him finish.

It happens. That's why guys like Teemu Selanne and Jaromir Jagr are amazing -- the hands stayed with them.