Not really... Its a lonnnngggg season.. they are not even 1/10th of the way into it.. They are gonna need to be good.. no doubt, but a turnaround of historical proportions is greatly exaggerated IMO.

Say they win their next 3 games...

They go from 2 points to 8 points... and could potentially be right back near the middle of the pack... and only 10 games into the season.
- jak521

Yeah, it's a marathon, but the Flyers would need to actually start winning games while every team in front of us would need to experience an epic skid of their own for us to catch up with the pack.

Streit made a lot of good passes last night and wasn't at fault for any of the goals. That was the Coburn/Grossmann pair out there falling asleep in the third period and giving up the game.

But people do love to go back to their whipping boys regardless of what actually happens on the ice.

Not really... Its a lonnnngggg season.. they are not even 1/10th of the way into it.. They are gonna need to be good.. no doubt, but a turnaround of historical proportions is greatly exaggerated IMO.

Say they win their next 3 games...

They go from 2 points to 8 points... and could potentially be right back near the middle of the pack... and only 10 games into the season.
- jak521

It's not so long ago that a Flyers team that experienced a bad start to the season and a coaching change ended up making the playoffs. Admittedly, they had much higher expectations, but I still think anything can happen.

Yeah, it's a marathon, but the Flyers would need to actually start winning games while every team in front of us would need to experience an epic skid of their own for us to catch up with the pack.
- Tomahawk

How many points do you think it would take to make the playoffs? 98? That would mean they'd have to win 65% of their games. Hard, but not impossible. They just need short chunks at a time.

Yeah, it's a marathon, but the Flyers would need to actually start winning games while every team in front of us would need to experience an epic skid of their own for us to catch up with the pack.
- Tomahawk

no, if they flip the switch and go from blowing games like last night to winning 2 out of 3 consistently they could do it almost no matter what....trouble is, i see no indication of that happening. now, if they had at least been able to get to OT last night, i might have some more hope

True -- but what I really see them doing is making one or two "impact trades."

Where's Thomas Vanek heading next year? Ryan Miller? Henrik Lundqvist? So on and so forth.

Everything will be on the table -- they'll throw money at it, they'll throw players at it, they'll throw everything they've got at it. It won't be a rebuild because Giroux and Lecavalier and Streit will probably be here, and they'll have some requisite free agent signings.

But what I'm really saying is that if they miss, there will be multiple "big moves."

They won't talk about it. They'll just do it.
- AllInForFlyers

That's another problem, the worse they get, the worse the situation gets, causes them to do harsh decisions without thinking, the composure level is really low I'm sure, & if Pittsburgh beats them Thursday they will be 1-7 with I think a week off to "stew" in it?
Teams that are winning, or doing well, wouldn't care to take a player off our hands if they don't require a change.

Sarcasm aside, they've earned 2 out of possible 14 points in the standings. This is an epic hole they've dug themselves into -- it's going to take a turnaround of historical proportions for this team to even get a sniff at the PO's.
- Tomahawk

Yep, made even harder with the stupid points system. They're behind a team that hasn't even won one game yet, for crying out loud.

Anyway, at the beginning of the season my expectations were that maybe they could sneak into the 8th spot. I'm losing confidence in that possibility.

I love it... Lets trade away a 24 year old 6 months removed from season high points... a 23 yearold PF, two guys under 22 and a 27 yearold versatile player...

Lets do it all so that we can "rebuild"

I don't need to look at anything with you, MJL. Why would you think I would?

They only have two guys with full no-trades: Hartnell and Lecavalier. Kimmo Timonen's in the last year of his contract, as is Andrej Meszaros. Neither goalie is under contract past this season. Everybody else has either no protection or modified no-trades, which means they only get to submit a list of teams they either will or won't consent to be traded to.

They could overhaul the entire freaking roster, if they chose to do so. The entire thing. The only two guys who would be likely to stay are Lecavalier and Streit, if they really wanted to do something and were motivated to do so. They'd even find a taker for Claude Giroux's contract, if they wanted to.

They could change 18 guys, if they wanted to.
- AllInForFlyers

As an outsider looking in, it seems to me that the Flyers' current problem is too many roster moves in the past few years.

Streit made a lot of good passes last night and wasn't at fault for any of the goals. That was the Coburn/Grossmann pair out there falling asleep in the third period and giving up the game.

But people do love to go back to their whipping boys regardless of what actually happens on the ice.
- Feanor

But I conceded that he was actually better than terrible.

no, if they flip the switch and go from blowing games like last night to winning 2 out of 3 consistently they could do it almost no matter what....trouble is, i see no indication of that happening. now, if they had at least been able to get to OT last night, i might have some more hope
- hogweed

Yeah man, that would have made all the difference.

Yeah, it's a marathon, but the Flyers would need to actually start winning games while every team in front of us would need to experience an epic skid of their own for us to catch up with the pack.
- Tomahawk

Just throwing this out there, but we're currently 5 points out of the 2nd spot in the Metro. Not really all that epic.

Streit made a lot of good passes last night and wasn't at fault for any of the goals. That was the Coburn/Grossmann pair out there falling asleep in the third period and giving up the game.

But people do love to go back to their whipping boys regardless of what actually happens on the ice.
- Feanor

he did have some breakout passes & that is his strength, but he's missing the net an awful lot, not that he's the only one, (he's not), but that whole situation, again, is because Homer under valued Matt Carle, or he wouldn't even be here

That's another problem, the worse they get, the worse the situation gets, causes them to do harsh decisions without thinking, the composure level is really low I'm sure, & if Pittsburgh beats them Thursday they will be 1-7 with I think a week off to "stew" in it?
Teams that are winning, or doing well, wouldn't care to take a player off our hands if they don't require a change.
- puckhead17

stew? they will golf

Streit made a lot of good passes last night and wasn't at fault for any of the goals. That was the Coburn/Grossmann pair out there falling asleep in the third period and giving up the game.

But people do love to go back to their whipping boys regardless of what actually happens on the ice.
- Feanor

On the Canucks first goal Giroux was coasting back in towards the net as Mason went out to play the puck up the boards to either Timonen or McGinn. The puck careened of the boards right in front of the wide open net. Only problem was that Giroux was coasting back and his man, Ryan Kessler was skating hard... Boom 1-1.

Now I know that was fluky, but Giroux and Kessler were stride for stride entering the blue line. Giroux watches Mason leave his net, and as soon as he does Kessler makes a beeline towards it. Giroux literally glides from the top of the circle towards the net where the puck ends up bouncing to.


What about on the second goal. Im sure Giroux had absolutely nothing to do with that one, right? In away he had absolutely nothing to do with it, because he was doing absolutely nothing.

Streit made a lot of good passes last night and wasn't at fault for any of the goals. That was the Coburn/Grossmann pair out there falling asleep in the third period and giving up the game.

But people do love to go back to their whipping boys regardless of what actually happens on the ice.
- Feanor

bump.

Just throwing this out there, but we're currently 5 points out of the 2nd spot in the Metro. Not really all that epic.
- jak521

Don't you know they're terrible and might as well just fold the season now?

stew? they will golf
- vejim

No, management, you think Ed will be golfing & handing Homer a cold one while laughing?

Remember his face at the Berube presser?

I see him getting more pissed by the day

As an outsider looking in, it seems to me that the Flyers' current problem is too many roster moves in the past few years.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't know what you're talking about.

We're just 2-3 more overpaid declining players, a few more ex-Team Canada U20 members, a well-timed RFA offer sheet, another coaching change, and a couple of traded captains/franchise saviors away from the Cup.

I can feel it!!

Yeah man, that would have made all the difference.
- mayorofangrytown

a 50% increase in points in the standings is pretty significant

he did have some breakout passes & that is his strength, but he's missing the net an awful lot, not that he's the only one, (he's not), but that whole situation, again, is because Homer under valued Matt Carle, or he wouldn't even be here
- puckhead17

I am not enamored with Matt Carle at all..

Just throwing this out there, but we're currently 5 points out of the 2nd spot in the Metro. Not really all that epic.
- jak521

I don't know what you're talking about.

We're just 2-3 more overpaid declining players, a few more ex-Team Canada U20 members, a well-timed RFA offer sheet, another coaching change, and a couple of traded captains/franchise saviors away from the Cup.

I can feel it!!
- Tomahawk

Liles is available...

On the Canucks first goal Giroux was coasting back in towards the net as Mason went out to play the puck up the boards to either Timonen or McGinn. The puck careened of the boards right in front of the wide open net. Only problem was that Giroux was coasting back and his man, Ryan Kessler was skating hard... Boom 1-1.

Now I know that was fluky, but Giroux and Kessler were stride for stride entering the blue line. Giroux watches Mason leave his net, and as soon as he does Kessler makes a beeline towards it. Giroux literally glides from the top of the circle towards the net where the puck ends up bouncing to.


What about on the second goal. Im sure Giroux had absolutely nothing to do with that one, right? In away he had absolutely nothing to do with it, because he was doing absolutely nothing.
- jak521

I KNEW someone was gonna bring that up. That play happens 40 times a game for every team, and rarely (if ever) is the defending center supposed to be covering the opposing center. they were not "stride for stride" at the blue line. The defensemen were doing their jobs, giving Mason 2 places to pass the puck. It's not Giroux's job to cover Kesler all the way to his opposing goal line on a dump-in.

As for Kesler skating hard, he's supposed to as a forechecker. Giroux would also were he forechecking. Giroux's job on that play is the give the defenseman a chance at an outlet pass, which is what Kesler would do were their roles reversed.

Streit made a lot of good passes last night and wasn't at fault for any of the goals. That was the Coburn/Grossmann pair out there falling asleep in the third period and giving up the game.

But people do love to go back to their whipping boys regardless of what actually happens on the ice.
- Feanor

Here's my thinking on it right now - if the defensemen are actually defending and not at fault for goals against, I'm okay with it. That's their job. On paper there is enough offensive firepower in the forward corps that the defenders should just have to defend.