League said Morrow was reverse checking Burns, nso it's his fault, and so Burns gets away with it. Changed my mind, Lappy shouldn't get anything either.

Shanahan again showing his blatant bias against the Blues. Pathetic.

League said Morrow was reverse checking Burns, nso it's his fault, and so Burns gets away with it. Changed my mind, Lappy shouldn't get anything either.

Shanahan again showing his blatant bias against the Blues. Pathetic.
- Antilles

It's a garbage league, nothing new there. Shanahan has no credibility when it comes to determining punishment. Neither did Colin Campbell before him or Brian Burke before him.......

I thought Shanahan would actually be an agent for change but when he started handing out suspensions that actually made sense for 10 games and beyond, the owners complained that the players they were paying were spending too much time not playing so he's been neutered.

Instead of walking away from the job at that point, he's sold his sole to the owners.

League said Morrow was reverse checking Burns, nso it's his fault, and so Burns gets away with it. Changed my mind, Lappy shouldn't get anything either.

Shanahan again showing his blatant bias against the Blues. Pathetic.
- Antilles

I guess this is ok since Morrow came back and played.

Guess who isn't at practice today though????

I guess this is ok since Morrow came back and played.

Guess who isn't at practice today though????
- carcus

Yep, looking just like Perron, finished the game but symptoms show up later. Morrow should have just stayed on the ice longer, maybe he would matter to the league if he had to be carted off like Boyle. For all we know, Morrow will miss more games than Boyle. But only one side gets punished.

Just because he didn't go to the hospital doesn't mean the hit was not just as bad and dangerous. .
- cuethenoise

Morrow returned to the game, did he not? He maintained consciousness after he went into the boards, correct?

This is the exact sort of reactionary idiocy I'm talking about. So if Boyle is back in a couple weeks, as has happened to players who left on a stretcher, and Morrow misses the next 100 games, as has happened to players despite them returning the game they got injured; then suddenly Burns hit is terrible and Lappy's isn't so bad?
- Antilles

Please stop while you're WAY behind. Your continuous railing about this is only revealing more & more of your ignorant homerism.

Please stop while you're WAY behind. Your continuous railing about this is only revealing more & more of your ignorant homerism.
- Team_Teal

So... no response to the points made, just attack the person making them? Fail.

Morrow returned to the game, did he not? He maintained consciousness after he went into the boards, correct?
- Team_Teal

Morrow returned to the game, much like Perron after Thorton's dirty hit. Morrow maintained consciousness, much like Perron after Thorton's dirty hit. Morrow was held out of practice the next day, much like Perron after Thorton's dirty hit. We don't know how long Morrow will miss, but Perron missed 100 games. Meanwhile Boyle is showing no symptoms the day after.

The severity of a concussion cannot be judged solely on the immediate effects. That's not opinion, it's medical fact. Fact evidenced on a previous occasion when your team threw a dirty hit, so it's sad it has to be explained to you.

So... no response to the points made, just attack the person making them? Fail.

Morrow returned to the game, much like Perron after Thorton's dirty hit. Morrow maintained consciousness, much like Perron after Thorton's dirty hit. Morrow was held out of practice the next day, much like Perron after Thorton's dirty hit. We don't know how long Morrow will miss, but Perron missed 100 games. Meanwhile Boyle is showing no symptoms the day after.

The severity of a concussion cannot be judged solely on the immediate effects. That's not opinion, it's medical fact. Fact evidenced on a previous occasion when your team threw a dirty hit, so it's sad it has to be explained to you.
- Antilles

So what you're saying is you think Thornton's hit was dirty?

RE: Dan Boyle: I'm glad you were in the examining room when Boyle was brought to the ER, doc...and also evaluated him before he flew home instead of going to Dallas for the next game....but he's fine with no symptoms, right? You just said yourself that the severity of a concussion can't be judged solely on the immediate effects. Therefore, you can't really say that Boyle is OK, now, can you?
Talk about a fail...

And you're really bringing up the Thornton/Perron hit? When did that happen??? Three years ago? Talk about grasping at straws. You should probably go back & review that one too. Dirty? Barely.


What points? You're trying to equate a hit where one player who was knocked unconscious to another who missed a few shifts & returned to the game in the 3rd. That's it.

You also failed to mention the fact that Flopierre was barking at the Sharks bench before the Boyle hit about how "he was coming after them...."

Premeditated? Sounds like it, no?

I have no use whatsoever for Max Lapierre. This was a terrible signing. He's is a notorious knucklehead and he always will be.

The problem with brainless knuckleheads is that they bring the entire team down. He gets tossed and his teammates have to spend the rest of the night paying for his stupidity.

I could not be in the same room with that guy and answer questions about a hit like that and try and defend any part of it.

Get him out of here.

**********************

Blues were flat from the opening faceoff. The extra curricular antics just put them in a hole they couldn't get out of.

They lost every critical PP faceoff, at least for as long as I was watching. I turned the game off at 3-0.

The hit on Morrow was also incredibly dangerous.
- bcallaway

I agree with all of this.

So what you're saying is you think Thornton's hit was dirty?

RE: Dan Boyle: I'm glad you were in the examining room when Boyle was brought to the ER, doc...and also evaluated him before he flew home instead of going to Dallas for the next game....but he's fine with no symptoms, right? You just said yourself that the severity of a concussion can't be judged solely on the immediate effects. Therefore, you can't really say that Boyle is OK, now, can you?
Talk about a fail...

And you're really bringing up the Thornton/Perron hit? When did that happen??? Three years ago? Talk about grasping at straws. You should probably go back & review that one too. Dirty? Barely.


What points? You're trying to equate a hit where one player who was knocked unconscious to another who missed a few shifts & returned to the game in the 3rd. That's it.

You also failed to mention the fact that Flopierre was barking at the Sharks bench before the Boyle hit about how "he was coming after them...."

Premeditated? Sounds like it, no?
- Team_Teal

Actually, the league said Thorton's hit was dirty, hence his suspension.

Multiple reports have said Boyle had no symptoms today. However, NHL requires 7 days of no symptoms after a player is knocked unconscious. Thus him returning to San Jose. Maybe you should keep up with your own team before posting. Oh, and look up the word "immediate."
http://truehockey.com/art...er-Leaving-on-a-Stretcher

And the Thorton hit was brought up as an example of how a player can return to a game, (something you referenced implying the hit on Morrow not as severe) and still be severely concussed. I'm not sure how I can possibly state that more clearly.

And I did mention how ML was coming after the Sharks. He was retaliating for the head shot on Jax the first shift of the game.

one player who was knocked unconscious to another who missed a few shifts

So what? As has been made pretty clear, that means absolutely nothing as to how injured the player is.

Actually, the league said Thorton's hit was dirty, hence his suspension.

Multiple reports have said Boyle had no symptoms today. However, NHL requires 7 days of no symptoms after a player is knocked unconscious. Thus him returning to San Jose. Maybe you should keep up with your own team before posting. Oh, and look up the word "immediate."
http://truehockey.com/art...er-Leaving-on-a-Stretcher

And the Thorton hit was brought up as an example of how a player can return to a game, (something you referenced implying the hit on Morrow not as severe) and still be severely concussed. I'm not sure how I can possibly state that more clearly.

And I did mention how ML was coming after the Sharks. He was retaliating for the head shot on Jax the first shift of the game.


So what? As has been made pretty clear, that means absolutely nothing as to how injured the player is.
- Antilles

A. Again...the Thornton/Perron thing was 3 seasons ago. Let go of your anger....surely someone who's screen name comes from Star Wars should know what that means, eh Wedge?? And the league said so, eh? Then I guess they're always correct.

B. If Jackman can't take what he dishes out on a regular basis without getting his panties in a bunch, he's in the wrong biz...BTW, the headshot you speak of on Jackman was nothing more than a minor high stick at best.

C. truehockey.com?? Maybe for more thorough reports on teams/players you go to a site that's not just pulling AP Wires & re-posting them.

Anyway...enough of this dead horse...moving on...

A. Again...the Thornton/Perron thing was 3 seasons ago. Let go of your anger....surely someone who's screen name comes from Star Wars should know what that means, eh Wedge?? And the league said so, eh? Then I guess they're always correct.

B. If Jackman can't take what he dishes out on a regular basis without getting his panties in a bunch, he's in the wrong biz...BTW, the headshot you speak of on Jackman was nothing more than a minor high stick at best.

C. truehockey.com?? Maybe for more thorough reports on teams/players you go to a site that's not just pulling AP Wires & re-posting them.

Anyway...enough of this dead horse...moving on...
- Team_Teal

Jackman wasn't hit by a stick, it was an elbow. Did you even watch the game?

Thorton/Perron was an example proving something you suggested wrong. When it happened doesn't change the point of bringing it up.

The fact you are saying you didn't know stuff about you team posted on AP supports my point. You are just talking out of your ass.

Try reading and responding to whats being said if you want another response.

Jackman wasn't hit by a stick, it was an elbow. Did you even watch the game?

Thorton/Perron was an example proving something you suggested wrong. When it happened doesn't change the point of bringing it up.

The fact you are saying you didn't know stuff about you team posted on AP supports my point. You are just talking out of your ass.

Try reading and responding to whats being said if you want another response.
- Antilles

See my previous post about a dead horse, genius. And did I say I didn't know "stuff about my team"? Not remotely.

P.S. I'm well aware of boyle's condition from the Sharks beat writer for the team, but you keep on keepin' on with your AP wire stories...
P.P.S. Elbow/high stick...who gives a rat's @ss?? my point stands about Jackman. If he can dish it out, then he needs to be able to take it. Quit your whining.

See you next game.

See my previous post about a dead horse, genius. And did I say I didn't know "stuff about my team"? Not remotely.

P.S. I'm well aware of boyle's condition from the Sharks beat writer for the team, but you keep on keepin' on with your AP wire stories...
P.P.S. Elbow/high stick...who gives a rat's @ss?? my point stands about Jackman. If he can dish it out, then he needs to be able to take it. Quit your whining.

See you next game.
- Team_Teal

It's not beating a dead horse to repeat something you try and refute without ever understanding. Stop making ignorant comments which completely ignore the point, and I'll stop clarifying.

And who said I got it from an AP wire story? I linked one page, you claimed everything there was from the AP, not me. I was jsut surprised that if something like that was on the AP that you were posting without knowing about it. But which beat writer are you supposedly following? David Pollak is the one I've followed on this, the person who Boyle texted saying he was ok. Do Sharks have another beat writer who says Pollak is lying? Or do you think Pollak is lying that Boyle texted him? Or perhaps you think Boyle is lying when he says he's ok?

And you are the one who brought back up what happened prior to the hit. Now you are mad it gets mentioned? You can't have it both ways. Do you want stuff prior to the hit mentioned or not? Wither way, saying "who cares" because I point out you talking about something you obviously haven't seen is just sad. You care enough to post about it; just not enough to try and know what you're talking about.

Finally, the idea of "if you can dish it out you need to be able to take it" is one I disagree with. I think the league should get rid of dirty hits, not just let them go both ways. But if that's your stance, what is your problem with the hit on Boyle? If Sharks can dish out dirty hits, they need to be able to take them, right?

It's not beating a dead horse to repeat something you try and refute without ever understanding. Stop making ignorant comments which completely ignore the point, and I'll stop clarifying.

And who said I got it from an AP wire story? I linked one page, you claimed everything there was from the AP, not me. I was jsut surprised that if something like that was on the AP that you were posting without knowing about it. But which beat writer are you supposedly following? David Pollak is the one I've followed on this, the person who Boyle texted saying he was ok. Do Sharks have another beat writer who says Pollak is lying? Or do you think Pollak is lying that Boyle texted him? Or perhaps you think Boyle is lying when he says he's ok?

And you are the one who brought back up what happened prior to the hit. Now you are mad it gets mentioned? You can't have it both ways. Do you want stuff prior to the hit mentioned or not? Wither way, saying "who cares" because I point out you talking about something you obviously haven't seen is just sad. You care enough to post about it; just not enough to try and know what you're talking about.

Finally, the idea of "if you can dish it out you need to be able to take it" is one I disagree with. I think the league should get rid of dirty hits, not just let them go both ways. But if that's your stance, what is your problem with the hit on Boyle? If Sharks can dish out dirty hits, they need to be able to take them, right?
- Antilles

LMAO...holy Christ you need to get laid....
I understand perfectly. You're an Internet know it all who's never wrong. Fair enough.
And good on you for dropping DP's name...now you have a slight shred of cred...

Very good point that everyone seems to be missing. The reason Boyle got hurt was no ones fault, just a unfortunate situation that sometimes happens. If Boyle would have been standing upright and not bent over, he would have been rubbed out along the boards just like any normal play. Lappy should have noticed that Boyle was hunched over and tried to do all he could to avoid him. I dont think he did this intentionally, he was coming in to follow up a check like any forward would do, but the fact the Boyle was hunched over and off balance is what made it bad, not Lappy intentionally head hunting.

I will say the same about the Perron situation. I dont think Thorton intentionally took Perron out, but he didnt do anything to get out of the way either just as Lappy. But again, not intentional.

I saw the elbow to Jackman and the hit on Morrow....those were intentional. I like the comment from someone about how these hits wouldnt happen in the 90's. Completely agree, if you did something intentional back in the day, you paid for it. Now players do it and are known for it and get away with it.

I didnt really care for the Lappy signing anyway. I would rather see Cracknell or Porter in there.
- mobluesfan

pretty much how i see it. i just don't like lappy enough to defend the hit.


The plug defence:
players are applauded for borderline legal hits, however vicious. plugs like lappierre don't have enough control over themselves to safely make borderline legal hits but their job requires it. when you ask someone to do something they can't do well you can't be surprised when they (frank) up. your options are to do it the best you can or forfeit your job.

another thought. what should he have done? just skate by? how would hitch have reacted if max didn't touch boyle or if he went for the puck instead of the hit? i think max was in a position where he felt he had to finish his check to avoid getting reemed on the bench. i question whether he actually had enough time to fully process that boyle wasn't going to get square to the hit.


** all plug defences aside. you also have to question whether it was an intentional cheap shot. i couldn't actually tell from the replays whether or not it was max's skate/leg that tripped up boyle in the first place.


regardless let's hope for a nice long suspension.

pretty much how i see it. i just don't like lappy enough to defend the hit.


The plug defence:
players are applauded for borderline legal hits, however vicious. plugs like lappierre don't have enough control over themselves to safely make borderline legal hits but their job requires it. when you ask someone to do something they can't do well you can't be surprised when they (frank) up. your options are to do it the best you can or forfeit your job.

another thought. what should he have done? just skate by? how would hitch have reacted if max didn't touch boyle or if he went for the puck instead of the hit? i think max was in a position where he felt he had to finish his check to avoid getting reemed on the bench. i question whether he actually had enough time to fully process that boyle wasn't going to get square to the hit.


** all plug defences aside. you also have to question whether it was an intentional cheap shot. i couldn't actually tell from the replays whether or not it was max's skate/leg that tripped up boyle in the first place.


regardless let's hope for a nice long suspension.
- Blue Clam

Intent doesn't matter.

Guy drives home drunk. 10 minutes later he arrives safely at home. Nobody notices, nobody cares. Refs (and cameras) missed the play.

Guy drives home drunk. 5 minutes later gets pulled over. Cops charge him with driving under the influence. Maybe throw in speeding, reckless driving, etc. 2 minute minor/5 minute major.

Guy drives home drunk. 5 minutes later causes a crash with serious/fatal injuries. Goes to jail for a long time. Lengthy suspension.

Point is it was an illegal hit fom behind. Sometimes you get away with it, sometimes you get caught...and sometimes really bad things happen as a result of your illegal act. Any time you elect to throw an illegal check, you gamble with the possible results. If you get caught, but no one gets hurt the penalty will be less. If you get caught after seriously injuring someone, expect to have the book thrown at you.

Bottom line, no matter how much of freak accident it was that Boyle hit the boards the way he did...he never would have hit them with out that little (and illegal) hit from behind.

Gamble and lose.

I hope he gets 20 games...but he won't.

I hope he gets 20 games....
- Ogilthorpe2

Me too.