In the end I see him going to SJ, don't ask me why because I just do.
- dadeadhead

For him, it would be the ideal situation. I just don't see it playing out that way.

You don't give guys like Vanek away, Iginla is older and teams WILL PAY for Vanek. The only road block will be Darcy. We don't need anymore players that are 3 years away from playing or more picks.
- SABRES 89

The amount Pittsburgh gave up for Iginla is peanuts in the grand scheme of things.

staff?
- homiedclown

Captain

This dumbass nite club we have inside our hotel is crap, we have about 75 cop cars here because someone started shooting inside the club. These nite clubs suck

For him, it would be the ideal situation. I just don't see it playing out that way.
- HonkFortheGoose

Marleau and Jumbo Joe are UFA's at the end of the year. I don't see either being re-upped.

Marleau and Jumbo Joe are UFA's at the end of the year. I don't see either being re-upped.
- dadeadhead

I wouldn't mind seeing either one playing in a Sabre uniform as long as it's for less than the $$ they're making now.

The problem is that they would want to play for a contender. Our organization is a reigning suck-fest.

Gonna bug him on twitter, I'm sick of having to scroll to the bottom of the page. #firstworldproblems
- Tsyolin

There's a nifty Sabres logo at the top of the website. I never click anywhere but there when looking for the blog here.

There's a nifty Sabres logo at the top of the website. I never click anywhere but there when looking for the blog here.
- stashu

That's too much work....

http://www.buffalonews.co...o-be-a-hot-topic-20131020

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/inside-the-nhl/inside-the-nhl-by-john-vogl-use-of-grigorenko-continues-to-be-a-hot-topic-20131020
- LetsGoBuffalo75

Several Sabres, asked about Grigorenko on the condition of anonymity to get frank answers, agreed. One said teams improve only by having each player push to reach a higher line, and it would bug him if someone skated 19 minutes and didn’t strive for it. Another can see Grigorenko’s talent but noted “hard work is a talent, too.”

This is such an archaic line of thinking, and to be honest, a big reason why the Sabres are in the hole they are. When the emphasis is put more on effort rather than results, you get a less than mediocre hockey team. It's true you need both, but the player that tries really hard and accomplishes nothing puts you in just as bad of a spot as the guy who is perceived as lazy.

This team is 1-8-1, or whatever it is now. With a record like that, nobody should be considered to have "earned" more than anyone else on this team.

This is such an archaic line of thinking, and to be honest, a big reason why the Sabres are in the hole they are. When the emphasis is put more on effort rather than results, you get a less than mediocre hockey team. It's true you need both, but the player that tries really hard and accomplishes nothing puts you in just as bad of a spot as the guy who is perceived as lazy.

This team is 1-8-1, or whatever it is now. With a record like that, nobody should be considered to have "earned" more than anyone else on this team.
- buffalofan19

Tell that to Matt 'Hart Memorial' Ellis.

This is such an archaic line of thinking, and to be honest, a big reason why the Sabres are in the hole they are. When the emphasis is put more on effort rather than results, you get a less than mediocre hockey team. It's true you need both, but the player that tries really hard and accomplishes nothing puts you in just as bad of a spot as the guy who is perceived as lazy.

This team is 1-8-1, or whatever it is now. With a record like that, nobody should be considered to have "earned" more than anyone else on this team.
- buffalofan19

I agree with all of this. However, I don't think Grigorenko would be any better on the 1st or 2nd line because his compete level just isn't high enough right now to make him a successful NHL player. He gets pushed around too much out there and until he decides he wants to fight back and push through, he'll be unsuccessful in whatever role they put him in.

I agree with all of this. However, I don't think Grigorenko would be any better on the 1st or 2nd line because his compete level just isn't high enough right now to make him a successful NHL player. He gets pushed around too much out there and until he decides he wants to fight back and push through, he'll be unsuccessful in whatever role they put him in.
- HonkFortheGoose

You could be right, but at this stage, why not even do it for 3 or 4 games? At the very least, they'd be able to say "I told you so". If Ron Rolston is really afraid of losing the locker room by moving him up, he shouldn't be. He's never had the locker room to begin with.

I agree with all of this. However, I don't think Grigorenko would be any better on the 1st or 2nd line because his compete level just isn't high enough right now to make him a successful NHL player. He gets pushed around too much out there and until he decides he wants to fight back and push through, he'll be unsuccessful in whatever role they put him in.
- HonkFortheGoose

Even Luke Adam had some success up there though, so at least give the kid some shifts on the top 2 lines.

With the effort everyone is praising Stafford for lately, it's still not resulted in much. Ott has resulted in no offense, so Grigorenko isn't exactly going to hurt us by moving up for some decent time on one of the top 2 lines, IMO.

You could be right, but at this stage, why not even do it for 3 or 4 games? At the very least, they'd be able to say "I told you so". If Ron Rolston is really afraid of losing the locker room by moving him up, he shouldn't be. He's never had the locker room to begin with.
- buffalofan19

I agree. I think his compete level will get better when things start actually going right for him. I think he's frustrated and just doesn't even know what to do at this point. If he can start getting some points, his compete level may increase because he's more confident. He's not a confident player right now and I think that it's trickling down to his compete level.

We see the same type of stuff out of Vanek when things aren't going right for him. On some occasions he kicks it up and ends up unstoppable. Other times he goes into a shell and just looks miserable every time he steps foot on the ice.

Even Luke Adam had some success up there though, so at least give the kid some shifts on the top 2 lines.

With the effort everyone is praising Stafford for lately, it's still not resulted in much. Ott has resulted in no offense, so Grigorenko isn't exactly going to hurt us by moving up for some decent time on one of the top 2 lines, IMO.
- stashu

I'd say move him up to the 1st line on the wing. Give him some time with Cody and Van. It can't possibly produce results any worse than we're already seeing.

I'd say move him up to the 1st line on the wing. Give him some time with Cody and Van. It can't possibly produce results any worse than we're already seeing.
- HonkFortheGoose

Exactly. I know he's a Center, but does he play RW? Does Cody?

You could be right, but at this stage, why not even do it for 3 or 4 games? At the very least, they'd be able to say "I told you so". If Ron Rolston is really afraid of losing the locker room by moving him up, he shouldn't be. He's never had the locker room to begin with.
- buffalofan19

Winning should mean more than making the multi-millionaires in the locker room who suck right now happy.

Exactly. I know he's a Center, but does he play RW? Does Cody?
- stashu

I'm not sure. I don't know that he's ever actually played any wing before. Cody must have played RW before because he's listed as C, RW on Yahoo for fantasy hockey.

I'm not sure. I don't know that he's ever actually played any wing before.
- HonkFortheGoose

Wing is generally not a very hard transition for a center to make, at any level. If anything it helps them, at least in the short term. There's much less responsibility, and the player doesn't have to think as much.

You could be right, but at this stage, why not even do it for 3 or 4 games? At the very least, they'd be able to say "I told you so". If Ron Rolston is really afraid of losing the locker room by moving him up, he shouldn't be. He's never had the locker room to begin with.
- buffalofan19

I agree with you.

As an example ill use a relatively common sense idea.

Im taking a basic community organizing course right now. As a organizer one of the most effective ways of getting group members invested in your cause and taking on tougher roles is to let them spearhead a task. I think most people want to have the added responsibility and respect of claiming something as their own and showing that they can produce good work. Yes, some people are just flat out workers but others might need to be given a role to fill into in make their own.

Grigorenko on a line with Scott and whoever is giving him a next to useless task in terms of what he could be capable of. We have been so horrid this season I cannot fathom why Rolston wouldn't even put him in the top 6 for a period or even a few shifts. If the kid thinks his poop dont stink why dont you let him prove it. Great if he can and great if he struggles and gets a reality check.

Winning should mean more than making the multi-millionaires in the locker room who suck right now happy.
- stashu

Nobody in that locker room should be happy right now anyway. The team sucks. They should already be miserable. And if him getting promoted means so much to them that they get that angry, good. Maybe it's the kick in the pants the rest of them need to go out and actually play like NHL players.

Wing is generally not a very hard transition for a center to make, at any level. If anything it helps them, at least in the short term. There's much less responsibility, and the player doesn't have to think as much.
- buffalofan19

They have Girgensons playing on the wing. They started him out there last year in the A. He played center for a while after the NHL lockout ended, and then moved him back to the wing so he could play with Larsson.

Exactly. I know he's a Center, but does he play RW? Does Cody?
- stashu

he should get some games on the top line with vanek and coho
put him at RW

drop ott to the second line

drop staff to the third or presser

I promise if you did that for ten games the record would not be any worse then 1-8-1

Exactly. I know he's a Center, but does he play RW? Does Cody?
- stashu

http://www.mynhldraft.com...ofiles/Mikhail-Grigorenko