That's all well and good. But what I thought was going to happen is what's happening. Laughton is obviously dominating a League that he is too good to play in.
- MJL

His team has won 6 of the 7 games and he's given them a jump by centering their top line which includes ISS top 3 ranked Michael Dal Colle.

I believe many of the teams lost some top talent this past year & his past experience is working very well to his and the teams advantage.

I mean Laughton has taken this chance and ran with it. He had a hat trick last night with his dad in the stands giving him 15 points (8 goals, 7 assists) in 7 games. He's playing 20 plus minutes a night in all situations & now leads the OHL in shorthanded goals in that time.

Morin has been really working on his defense but has also played in all situations while chipping in offensively.
- ob18

I'd really like to see Morin focus on developing his offensive game. I have a hunch defense won't be his problem at the NHL level. Then again, he really has all the time in the world to work on all aspects of his game, so I'm not concerned. Does he get PP time?

So those players that came up weren't showing they could handle NHL minutes/duties and that they belong and that they should reside themselves to a career in the AHL riding buses?
- ob18

Is your argument that a 4 game stretch, at the end of horrible season, was going to doom everyone involved into playing for the AHL for the rest of their careers? Never to be called up again? Plenty of those same players you are worried about had games where they were invisible, had bad games, etc. It's part of gaining experience.

McGinn wouldn't have been recalled this year if the team had lost 4 more games? I think you are reaching.

Also, I never asked the players to tank. Coaching was doing a fine job of tanking the season up to that point.

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Is your argument that a 4 game stretch, at the end of horrible season, was going to doom everyone involved into playing for the AHL for the rest of their careers? Never to be called up again? Plenty of those same players you are worried about had games where they were invisible, had bad games, etc. It's part of gaining experience.

McGinn wouldn't have been recalled this year if the team had lost 4 more games? I think you are reaching.

Also, I never asked the players to tank. Coaching was doing a fine job of tanking the season up to that point.
- Flyers_01

No his obvious argument is that you can't ask those young players not to give their all on the ice to show what they can do, and to make an impression on the Organization. And yes, you've suggested that they Flyers should've tanked multiple times. The only way that is done is to ask the players to do so.

Exactly. Laviolette knows that he has to perform to keep his job. But he's supposed to look players like Giroux and Timonen in the face and tell them, let's tank for a better draft pick.
- MJL

Why would he tell the players anything? That makes zero sense that he would tell the players if that was indeed his intent.

What do you think he was telling them when he was refusing to change his system?

Ok I've posted a black concept jersey of mine in here before and it got a lot of s, so I figure I'll try again with a different concept I just made. I'd appreciate any thoughts on this:

- JAKEw1234

Logo needs to be much bigger on the front.

Why would he tell the players anything? That makes zero sense that he would tell the players if that was indeed his intent.

What do you think he was telling them when he was refusing to change his system?
- Flyers_01

How else do you tank? Tanking involves the players. Laviolette's coaching decisions had zero to do with tanking.

Logo needs to be much bigger on the front.
- MJL

Ya, the small logo is something (most?) soccer jerseys use and I thought it might look good on a hockey jersey. Typically it's smaller on soccer jerseys so an ad can be placed front and center on the jersey, but sometimes it's just for aesthetic value.

No his obvious argument is that you can't ask those young players not to give their all on the ice to show what they can do, and to make an impression on the Organization. And yes, you've suggested that they Flyers should've tanked multiple times. The only way that is done is to ask the players to do so.
- MJL

No it's not. Coaching can tank the season without telling the players to tank. How many times have people questioned laviolette's stubborness in sticking to a system that wasn't working? How many defensive pairings or line combos? etc.

Don't act like the only way to lose a game is for the players to lay down on the ice. If that was the case the players wouldn't need coaches.

You have also ignored the Mario Lemieux draft link which I think pretty clearly outlines how a team can tank.

http://www.post-gazette.c...on-to-get-lemieux-371910/

How else do you tank? Tanking involves the players. Laviolette's coaching decisions had zero to do with tanking.
- MJL

If you say so. We'll agree to disagree.

No it's not. Coaching can tank the season without telling the players to tank. How many times have people questioned laviolette's stubborness in sticking to a system that wasn't working? How many defensive pairings or line combos? etc.

Don't act like the only way to lose a game is for the players to lay down on the ice. If that was the case the players wouldn't need coaches.

You have also ignored the Mario Lemieux draft link which I think pretty clearly outlines how a team can tank.

http://www.post-gazette.c...on-to-get-lemieux-371910/
- Flyers_01

How can Coaching tank the Season without telling the players to tank? I didn't ignore anything. What I am doing is stating that your suggestion that the GM, the Coach, the players, or the organization should've tanked to get a better draft pick is not something I'd like to see my team do.

I'd really like to see Morin focus on developing his offensive game. I have a hunch defense won't be his problem at the NHL level. Then again, he really has all the time in the world to work on all aspects of his game, so I'm not concerned. Does he get PP time?
- JAKEw1234

He plays in all situations and it's coming along but he also needs the work on defense & he's in the right place to do it.

Is your argument that a 4 game stretch, at the end of horrible season, was going to doom everyone involved into playing for the AHL for the rest of their careers? Never to be called up again? Plenty of those same players you are worried about had games where they were invisible, had bad games, etc. It's part of gaining experience.

McGinn wouldn't have been recalled this year if the team had lost 4 more games? I think you are reaching.

Also, I never asked the players to tank. Coaching was doing a fine job of tanking the season up to that point.
- Flyers_01

All I can do is shake my head at how you view this but it's your opinion and you are sure entitled to it.

Yes, I agree. But some apparently wanted the Flyers to purposely lose. I'm just wondering how that is accomplished. How a Coaching staff or team management would go about doing that. It's great that Morin is looking impressive.
- MJL

You don't lose games on purpose, but you don't trade picks for guys like gagne, you trade non assets not essential to the future for whatever you can get. Then go from there.

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- JAKEw1234

this isn't friggen wussy soccer

You don't lose games on purpose, but you don't trade picks for guys like gagne, you trade non assets not essential to the future for whatever you can get. Then go from there.
- jstross

Gagne was acquired in February. There was still a lot of season left at that point. Why wouldn't the Flyers make a move like that if they felt it could help them?

this is friggen wussy soccer
- 2Real

Frankly its unbelievable that any fan would advocate for their team to tank games to get a better draft pick.

- MBFlyerfan

I was completely on board with them winning those games last year. Losing is awful.

Again, my thing is this: They were winning by playing young players. That's what I want them to do now, not tank. I acknowledge that by playing young players, you're going to lose more games.

But I want the young players to play so they learn how to win games.

Another old saying that is true: Old players get older. Young players get better.

I don't want them to tank, because they are bad. I want them to compete with young players, different players who are not the ones who aren't getting the job done, so everyone knows what we have and, perhaps, we uncover a diamond and not deal from a position of weakness.

Another old saying that is true: Old players get older. Young players get better.

- AllInForFlyers

and Brayden Coburn just sucks

and Brayden Coburn just sucks
- 2Real

Braydon Coburn...has reached his potential. That doesn't make him a bad player, or mean that he should be given away. He still has value.

But it is also fair to question how far the Flyers can possibly go with Coburn, and if they do start looking at the future, selling as high as possible is the way to go.

and Brayden Coburn just sucks
- 2Real

Braydon coburn just gets worse

Braydon Coburn...has reached his potential. That doesn't make him a bad player, or mean that he should be given away. He still has value.

But it is also fair to question how far the Flyers can possibly go with Coburn, and if they do start looking at the future, selling as high as possible is the way to go.
- AllInForFlyers

I actually agree with 2real on this. Coburn is horrible.

I actually agree with 2real on this. Coburn is horrible.
- JAKEw1234

It would've been nice if he had developed into the top-pairing beast that we need, especially at his age and with his size.

But he didn't. If the Flyers moved him tomorrow, I would wish him the best. He wouldn't necessarily be easy to replace, but he wouldn't be impossible to replace.

I actually agree with 2real on this. Coburn is horrible.
- JAKEw1234

He's not horrible, he just needs to clean up a mistake or two that he is making in games.